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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Recording in progress. It's Chris Black coming to you live from beautiful Copenhagen. Copenhagen. was good just finished um in honor of our guest today just finished a joe rogan kettlebell workout feeling good feeling blasted i love i love feeling blasted nothing nothing better yeah i i i went back to the my second favorite gym here and it is it's really good i have to say i was really happy to be back there sporting health club is what it's called which kills me is that the one with the Arnold Schwarzenegger room? Different one. This one's closer to the hotel I'm in currently. It's a five-minute walk, but the name is so generic. I really like that. It tells you exactly what it is. It tells us exactly what it is. Yeah, that's true. Equinox, what does that mean in terms of fitness? You know what I mean? Exactly, exactly. And with all the confusing sexual marketing, it could be a brothel for all I know. Yeah, I see a lot of wet, glossy bodies. on the flat screen when you come up those escalator steps don't you exactly and i don't and you're like what's going on here when you say personal training why is it so you sexy on here that's where she stole it from it does honestly you sexy it does feel like a tagline that chandelier creative would create for

Equinox. And if you rearrange the letters in Eusexia, it's spelled just how Erewhon spells out nowhere. You know what I mean? It's the same kind of thing. Oh, yeah. Does Eusexia spell out no songs? We don't have to go there. Okay. Yeah, I'm here. I'm in the middle of it. I gave Eusexia one last listen. Okay. Yes, like two days ago. I was like, I'm going to give it an ear. And I'm, you know, I think it's just kind of, it's not as bad as everyone says and it's not as good as everyone says. Yeah, of course. To me, it's a five. Five out of ten. It's just there. Well, Pitchfork would disagree, but, you know, they're real shit disturbers over there. It's dying for a Jock Green outro edit. But let's move on from that, Chris. Let's see here. What else in the news? There's a New York Magazine article about. Republicans that go to bars. I didn't read it because it was paywalled, but can you tell our listeners about this? It's hot right now on Twitter. I mean, it's just Brock. They sent Brock into D.C. to celebrate Trump's election, but I think it was more about finding these people that were kind of disenfranchised by the whole thing and wanted to... to be a part of something and they're like hot and, and young and they say retard and stuff and they feel free, but it's like kind of uncool. And, and it's just like the whole thing is pretty funny because it's just like, it sounds like 20 year olds kind of the whole time when these people are adults because they talk like they're talking in a way that is sort of. it feels like they're trying to be inflammatory the way a teenager would you know like saying words they shouldn't say yeah it's like dude that's not gonna that's not gonna ruffle any feathers at new york magazine but it's an interesting it's interesting i mean i think that the the you know those kind of people are going to are going to have a good

couple years so i think it's smart to kind of show us who they are uh in in this way um but because i think they're going to be uh everywhere we look if they if they aren't already they're going to be loud and proud though yeah louder and prouder um they're going to be able to wear their red hats yes without getting as many uh bad looks in the ikea parking lot yes exactly i i saw some little snippets of it and it seemed like a lot of the or the bulk of it is Not so much foreign policy or budgets or health care, but more so it's 19 to 27-year-old white people. Now that Donald Trump is president, they feel they're able to start saying the word retard or fag. But is it like were they too afraid to do it before and now they want to be able to do it in public? Yeah, I think they feel emboldened. I think they feel emboldened to act like it's just going to be that kind of obnoxiousness on a new level because they feel empowered, which I understand why they feel empowered, but I don't think it's really going to take them where they want to go. I don't think that stuff actually matters. It doesn't actually matter. They've been saying these words the whole entire time since they learned what they were. But that wasn't enough. I mean, we have free speech in this country. You could truly say whatever you want. But they want to be able to say it without pushback from people who are offended by it. Which that's not going to go away. Pushback isn't going to end because there's a new president. Yeah, I mean, a lot of Republican conservative people have brothers, sisters, family members who have a learning disability who would probably be hurt. by uh those words or a gay brother or cousin or friend so i don't even know if it has anything to do with your political leanings it's just like hey we're a bunch of people who don't happen to be friends with any disadvantaged people whatsoever and we want to be able to party on i think it just feels you want to build a party rock i think the whole thing is that basically they're like we've been talking about

identity politics for you know eight years and no one actually cares about that like yeah i mean like that's that's not actually so they're like what if we tried nothing and just go exactly yeah they're going fuck it mode and i think that like i just think that trump's going to get in there like a bull in the china shop and he's going to do so much that it's going to affect even these bozos in a negative way somehow You know what I'm saying? Because I don't think he even knows what he's doing necessarily. But it's like what it's like. Like, do you actually like I don't think these people actually like you said, I don't think they care about like any real issues that are problematic. I think they're like, well, now I get to say whatever I want and act how I want, even though I was doing that before. Now I can poke my chest out a little bit. And and and that's better, I guess. Yeah. But then at that point, if you take these offensive words that are used. to be cutting and insultery and hurtful, if they're suddenly okay and you take all the venom out of it, then what's the point of it? You know what I mean? Who cares? Are they going to have to invent new words? They're going to learn that. I don't know if they're smart enough to invent new words, but maybe. I mean, another part of it was that they were hot. Brock would describe some of these people as like Barbie. They're like hot, blonde. You can imagine. You know what I mean? You can imagine. Spray tan. Yeah, but I think all of this is kind of just taking us back to a different era. Where people said shit like that all the time. Where people looked like this. It feels like a throwback in many ways. Like you guys tried... all of your stuff all of your pussy ass stuff yeah and it didn't really get us anywhere it made my life personally more annoyed uh and we're just gonna scrap that instead of you know obviously the the right way to to behave and act in the world is somewhere in the middle of the two not to be too crazy uh conservative or liberal uh in my opinion but

I'm getting flashbacks of where they wanted to return to a different time where certain people didn't have the rights that they do now. But it reminds me of like, you know, people are comparing it to the 80s, the rush of the financial boom and Wall Street. and yuppies and i think that yeah back in the 80s when yuppies were around like the phrase like die yuppie scum keeps popping into my mind that was like a phrase that people would say because we used to not like yuppies but now enough time has passed to where yuppie is just an like a visual aesthetic that people want to achieve with you know mood boards and stuff like that the same way that we we forgot that you know being a nazi was bad Well, I don't think people know what Nazi means. They just know it's bad. Like many other words, it's just like, that's bad. But like, yeah, it's, do you know how bad it actually is? Right. Do you even realize? But yeah, I mean, it's, it was an interesting, it was a very well-timed story. And I think it's cool that, like I said, I would have been, I would have gone to those parties to see this stuff with my own eyes because it's fascinating. You know, it's like, because I and you actually, both of us are from places where these kind of people, come from you know so it's like i know they exist i just haven't seen them in a while because i've been living in new york and la you know but if you go you know if you go to atlanta if you go to orange county like those those are a large swath of people that populate those cities yeah i just saw huntington beach my hometown i think they their city council like the day after trump was was voted in they all the whole city voted unanimously to not be a sovereign city for immigrants it's crazy like nobody nobody asked them they just said to let you guys know but that's a great example of being emboldened like being like you know what now is my time to to say it out loud the immigrant shit i mean we don't have time for this but it's so insane people are fucking people are fucking demented psychos like who like how on earth does this affect you

Like, you know what I mean? Like really, like most people, it just, it blows my mind, but I, you know, whatever that that's neither here nor there, I guess. But yeah, read it. If you, if you have a sub, I'll send you the PDF. Send me the PDF. Yeah. It reminds me of being like 10 years old and talking to my friends that I like ride BMX with and play baseball with and being like, how come that, how come blah, blah, blah. His dad wants all the immigrants to go. And then they're, you know, this 10 year old's like, yeah, cause they, They'll list why they hate immigrants, and in your 10-year-old mind, you're like, yeah, that sucks. And then you turn 16, and then you realize that's not exactly so cut and dry and easy to figure out. Not exactly right. Oh, man. Yeah, but it has been a hot topic. Yeah, it's been a hot topic, but we can move on from that to a better day. Yuppie Scum can keep dying. Let's quickly talk about Macaulay Culkin's Cosmo cover. It's too funny. Yeah, it's something. It's something. It's misuse of Richard Kern, is what I would say, first and foremost. It's an abuse of Richard Kern's resources. Richard Kern needs to be shooting hot chicks smoking weed in their underwear, and he's a legend for that. kind of twisted child actor and his bride. Although I'm happy that Macaulay found love, and I do think it's a nice story. I'm happy for him too, but I'm wondering, because you look at those photos, and for somebody who's been a child actor and a world-famous person for a long time, you'd think he would learn how to take a picture. His face always looks like... I think he does that on purpose. This is the first time he's getting... I know. Yeah, I guess so. There was a photo shoot with him and Brenda when they went to the Nobu in Cabo, and then he bought a Nobu shirt and tucked it into his shorts to make it look like he was an employee there waiting on Brenda, and he kept doing these weird faces, and I think that was most of the creative direction for this shoot as well. I'm this weird, fucked up...

dude and i landed this super hot chica that's my goddess and i just live to serve her and i don't deserve her yeah she gets to wear bikinis and i'm like kind of fat and i wear bad clothes kind of i mean the most famous macaulay cover bizarre energy the most famous macaulay cover is the the face where he's spitting if you don't know that yeah that's how do you go from i mean that's legend he had something happened to him i mean obviously things happen to him on michael jackson or whatever his mom stole all his money i mean we could mom's all his money where do you want to you know where do you want to start yeah it's not great but just it's not great you who would have thought i would have now i would have i wish i put some money on it that his younger brother a guy who wears 50 raver beads to black tie events would end up becoming cooler than Macaulay Culkin, the guy who's taken that legendary photo. I find Kieran to be pretty insufferable, even though he's a very good actor. Like, I don't ever want to hear him being himself. So he's an actor. But I don't want to ever hear him being himself. Like, I don't want to hear you talk about your kids and how much you love your wife and how your kids made your bracelets. I don't need to hear any of that. Like, just do the job, get the trophy, go home, bro. That's all we need. That's all we need from you. Remember. That's all we need. It only makes it worse. All right, we have a guest today, a Canadian legend. Harley Pasternak is a trainer, author. I mean, he's done it all. He's trained everybody. The list is long. Rihanna, Robert Downey Jr., Paul Rudd, Gaga, who looks crazy now, too, by the way. Got Holly Berry in Catwoman, his finest work, probably. But I met him at a dinner a couple months ago, and we hit it off and asked him to come on the pod. So he's taking the time out of his busy day to chat with us. So let's give him a jingle. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

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herb also listen to this pod so they'll probably be stoked to hear that little shout out shout out to raymond roker um very funny because when i moved to the united states i want to say 19 of my 20 clients were were black and um this is before the internet is what it is and before social media so vibe magazine and um a couple other hip-hop magazines wrote articles about how i'm american what about king magazine Jet. I was in Jet. Are you joking? They put a white Canadian guy in Jet? That's the thing. They didn't know what I looked like. They wrote an article that I'm America's black celebrity trainer. When the thing came out in Vibe, I called the editor afterwards. I'm like, listen, I'm so grateful for the press, but have you seen me? She's like, no, but on your notes it says you grew up in Jamaica. I said, I did grow up partially in Jamaica as a kid, a little bit. I'm white. I'm like a white Jewish guy from Canada. And she's like. So when Earth came out, they came out with the 50 most powerful people in hip hop. Stop the presses. He's white. I was number 32 of the 50 most powerful people in hip hop because I trained every hip hop artist at one time. Wow. I actually. Damn, that is sick. I didn't know that's how you started. Who put you on to that? Like, how did that happen? That's not how I started. I was already, you know, probably. 15 years deep into doing what I do. Okay, okay, okay. But how did you break into the hip-hop community? Toronto. So I started training actors that came to shoot films when I was in graduate school in Toronto. Sure. And that expanded to Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver. And when I was in Montreal, I worked on a film called Slow Burn with LL Cool J and Ray Liotta. And then went to Vancouver and worked on Catwoman and White Chicks. while I was there, and then Alicia Keys reached out to me, and then Kanye, and then Common, and then Pusha T, and then you name it. So it's been an interesting run. I just love that. I was like, so how did you break into the hip-hop community? He's like, well, it started in Montreal. No one has ever said that. That's true. But that's when Canada was the only place, given the tax breaks. They had to shoot everything there. Still. They still.

Actually shoot most of the stuff there. Nothing shot in L.A. anymore. I mean, hardly anything shot in L.A. anymore. Well, yeah, most of it shot shot back in Canada. Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver still. The movie Chicago shot in Toronto. I actually knew that. I actually knew that, which is amazing. That's amazing. I mean, what is because Toronto you can make look like New York very easily. But what do they make Montreal look like most often? I'm fascinated by Europe. Europe. Okay. Okay. Just Europe. That makes sense. That makes sense. Montreal could be Paris. It could be London. It could be Budapest. It can be anywhere. What about Vancouver then? Asia, Vancouver. So a lot of the Jackie Chan movies were shot in Vancouver. It looks like Hong Kong. It looks like Shanghai. Yeah, the magic of filmmaking, I'll tell you what. Canada is the only place where you can make movies, and then Asia is the only place where you can sell movies. Hollywood, baby. That's true. Hollywood is merely a place people live. There's nothing really happening. Well, I would say live, duh. Yeah, that's right. Live, duh. How many of your clients' home gyms have been? decimated to rubble my friend luckily most of them it's their secondary residence so it's their malibu house they go to on the weekends okay not to minimize it not to take away from the trauma that it causes but of course of course of course yeah so i i've been lucky my clients have been lucky in that none of them except for one's primary residence burned out and that one was probably the most expensive home in all the palisades It's a $90 million house, and the insurance was canceled on it last year, and they shot the TV show. What's the one about a rich family, and then the kids are fighting for the- Succession. Succession? Yeah, they shot Succession there. Yeah, it's gone. Jesus. $90 million. Mamma mia. That's a lot of money to pay for a house, no matter how much money you have. But also, Harley, you have another- revenue stream where you do gym designs for hotels and other people's houses. So that means you get to redo this again. It's a little bit of Jewish lightning as they call it. Am I right? Most of our business is commercial. So we do all the four seasons or most of the four seasons hotel gyms around the world.

and some Discoveryland properties and Ritz's and Viceroy's. But we do do a high-end residential, and we already have some inquiries of people who lost properties there to redo them. Can I interest you in a nice rogue set? Yeah, the first thing I need is some bumper plates after my house burns down. That's the first thing I need to re-up on. Well, I guess on that topic of hotel gyms, Chris and I. hotel gym enthusiasts he uses them more than i do i kind of lay around and look at my phone and he's really kind of doing stuff i'll walk backwards on the treadmill for a little bit just to get the heart going but have you noticed or are you trying to take the hotel gym away from like a thing that looks cool in photos on the website to something that's actually functional for the average fitness person because it used to be just like some dumb things that look nice and now you're starting to see some real shit there Yeah, people will often decide what hotel to stay on based on how good their gym is. And that wasn't something that existed 25 years ago. You're talking to one of them. There you go. It makes me insane. It makes me insane. What's your favorite hotel gym you've ever been to? Better be one of mine. Go ahead. Well, I mean, Four Seasons Toronto is a great gym, actually. That's a really good gym. We are in the midst of redoing it right now. The Grand Hyatt in Singapore, that was unbelievable. They had just redone it. Jason, the hotel we stayed at in Melbourne had an amazing gym because all the Australian Open players stayed there. Oh, yeah, that was a really good – that was a full regular gym. Have you been to the Ned in London, Harley? Are you familiar with that? Yes, yes. That gym is also pretty insane. Yeah, I have to go. I feel like you haven't given me the answers I wanted, so. One of our gyms just won best hotel gym in the world, and it's at Hualalai, the Four Seasons in the Big Island in Kona. Yeah, look, you're out of my price range. What do you want me to say? Well, I would love – do you have any vouchers or tokens I could use? Because I'd love to chat about it on my platform. I guarantee you can get a room there for under 5G's a night. Guarantee. Oh, okay. All right. By the way, it's one of the most beautiful places in the world.

It's absolutely heaven. There's no natural predators in the Big Island. There's no mosquitoes. There's nothing that can bite you. There's nothing. I mean, it's just the weather's perfect every day. It's pretty special. That does sound, that does sound. But the hotel gym is something we talk about a lot, and I think that it has overall gotten better. I'm in Copenhagen right now, and they don't really believe in it, but they do have great gyms in the city. And I was in London over the weekend. There's a place called Third Space, which is kind of like their Equinox. I know. Yeah. No day passes. You cannot get a day pass. You have to go with a member. By the way, try telling Equinox in London that Third Space is the Equinox of London. I'm sure. I don't want to take it too well. Well, I mean, I just mean it's the only competition I've ever seen in Europe that's on that level, really. Yeah. Dubai, most of our projects are in the Middle East right now. I would say the stuff they're doing in Saudi and Dubai is on a whole other level. Well, Chris went to a gym in Dubai specifically for that, right? I went to write about a hotel gym in Dubai for GQ. I'm blanking on the name of it now, but it was like... a wellness, like the hotel was basically centered around the gym. Yeah. Like that was the whole point. Yeah. It starts with an N, Nemo or something, or nickname, or, yeah. Is it called Ciro, S-I-R-O? Yeah, Ciro, Ciro. Yes, that's right. Ciro, Ciro. And it was, it was, I don't, I just, do you think we're at a point where people will travel like that, or do you think it's something people like to have but don't have to have? You mean a great gym and a hotel? Yeah, or this level of thing where it's almost like the vacation is about, like, wellness is a blanket term, but kind of like that's what it's about. Most vacations are about eating and drinking. I think historically, vacations were about escapism. And you come back after three days in Mexico feeling like a truck hit. You need a vacation from your vacation. But I think today, because we work differently than we used to work, we work every day all day because we have technology and we have our work in our hands. I think our need to really reset, regenerate,

And rest is more important and more popular than ever. And health is the new wealth. There was a time when having material goods was a sign of status. Today, if you're in your mid-50s and you look better than someone in their 20s and your body looks great and your hair looks great or your – never mind hair, but you look great. It's a status symbol today. So I think things have changed that way. No, I would agree with you for sure. For our listeners at home, Holly was talking about himself, just to be clear. I have no hair. You can't see it. When you're in your 50s and you're fucking more jacked than a 20-year-old, baby. Yeah, I agree. I had yesterday. I had – Brad Falchuk, who's Gwyneth Paltrow's husband, he's in his 50s. Rob Lowe, who's in his 60s. Myself. I gotta tell you, we decimated some young people yesterday. Guys in their 20s. We out-pull up them. We out-bench press them. We out-leg them. I mean, age is nothing. Look, I agree. I'm definitely, I feel better and look better than I did in my 20s, for sure. But I think it's like... It does require a little more effort and a little more thought, but I think that's okay. I think when you're young, anything you do helps. You don't really need to know what you're doing. You go to the gym, you could do biceps every day, and they'll recover and they'll grow as you get older. You can't do that, and you have to be a lot more strategic with what you do and how much you do and when you do it. And do you drink alcohol at all anymore, or is that pretty much? Never. Never. I never did. You never did? There was no point in my life that alcohol appealed to me. Because I feel like guys like that in 50s and 60s, that one hits them a lot harder, and those one, two drinks a week makes a big diff. Oh, yeah. And all that. Quasi research that came out in the 80s and 90s how wine is good for your health and alcohol longevity. We now know that that's not necessarily the case. And in fact, alcohol might be worse for you than cigarettes. So there is no amount of alcohol that is good for you. If you opt for alcohol, minimize it. Okay, well, on that subject of studies that you hear through the years, wine is good, wine is bad, blah, blah, blah, smoking is good, smoking is bad.

Diet Coke as a nootropic super beverage, it seems to be in the news. It's Trump's secret fountain of youth drink. What do you think about Diet Coke? I have a Coke Zero at least three times a week. Coke Zero, okay. Okay, Harley, treat yourself. I think Coke Zero tastes better than Diet Coke as far as I'm concerned. I choose not to get 30 grams or 35 grams of sugar from a beverage. There is zero evidence to show that moderate consumption of diet sodas has any negative impact on your health. However, there's probably 15 to 20 studies that show that moderate consumption of diet sodas can actually help with weight loss. The only studies that have ever shown any detrimental effects from using sweeteners are in toxic amounts and in rats. So, you know, you'd have to have. 150 Diet Cokes a day. I'm throwing it out there, and forgive me, this is not precise. 100 Diet Cokes a day every day for 90 days to get a health problem. Not even Trump is hitting those numbers. Okay, and then you're drinking a Coke Zero specifically instead of a Diet Coke only based on flavor, not any other nutritional benefits. Only flavor, and if I have to have a Diet Coke, it's going to be with a lime. For some reason, I find it tastes better with lime, and I'm a big fan of, I don't know if it's... Bright zero or seven of zero. One of them is really good. Okay. Well, this brings me to my next question. What about the Celsius trend? Because it's really, I feel like people are giving themselves heart. I feel like people are going to give themselves heart failure drinking four or five of those a day. You know, it seems bad. When I was in grad school, I got recruited by the military and my job was basically my full-time job was to be a caffeine scientist for three years. So I can tell you that moderate amounts of caffeine consumption is healthy for you. Live longer. You know, they have better brain function, metabolism. But when you're consuming those drinks that have massive amounts of caffeine, plus a lot of other crap in there that you don't need, it's probably not good for you. I'm not a big fan. Yeah. Yeah. I had half a Celsius like two weeks ago. And, you know, it hit me harder than than cocaine or Molly. I was just like, oh, like.

I need to sit down. It's just which I guess is a good sign because I drink coffee every day. You know, it's not really took over, though. I feel like it really came out of nowhere. And then it was like you. It's just so it's so popular. Like it feels like it really replaced Red Bull and Monster in like major metropolitan areas. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Red Bull's gross to me. All those drinks are really gross to me. I agree. I just never. No, I agree. They're fucked up. Red Bull and vodka. Give it a try, Harley. I know you won't. What do you think about? So Chris. trainer his name's hunter correct me if i'm not able to say this on the pod chris but he he uses marijuana with his fitness and i like to do the same yeah what are your thoughts on that zero calorie all right this episode of how long gone is brought to you by quince jason the temps are warming up it's getting hot out there summer always changes how i get dressed i need pieces that feel lighter more breathable And they're just easy, but, you know, still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. You know, they focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada.

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As someone with an academic position, I will speak in terms of generalities. Say no more, brother. He's done this before. Well, I mean, I think in Jason's case and in Hunter's case, it's like when they are working out, it puts them in a quote-unquote flow state. It helps you basically focus without focusing. Mind-body connection. And also, I stopped working out with headphones or music or podcasts as well for that reason. I like it because it makes you finish your workout faster so you could look at your phone again. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. There's also a lot of people right now microdosing mushrooms to work out because it helps them focus. I'm not here to advocate for it. I am on the board of one of the largest mushroom companies in the world, so I think there's a time and place for it. This motherfucker. This motherfucker's got some interests. I'll tell you that. He's got some interests in some different things. I've been taking some mushroom gummies. to go to like a sleep aid one they sent it's called noom i think they sent me some it actually works so alcohol is the it helped with my night terrors sorry alcohol is the worst thing to have at night it knocks you out for sleep but it destroys your sleep architecture and you don't get quality sleep and you wake up feeling terrible and you wake up throughout the night cannabis can help some people fall asleep and stay asleep But sometimes it can hurt your REM or your rapid eye movement sleep. So just something to be aware of and to hopefully wear a Fitbit or an Aura to keep track to see your quality of sleep and how it's impacted by cannabis. I like the phrase sleep architecture. It seems like an emerging grouping of words that I like. Speaking of fitness trackers, Chris and I have made fun of Apple Watches, Aura Rings, all that stuff. When I was in the best shape of my life during COVID, I wore an Apple Watch, and it really helped me out a lot. But for aesthetic reasons, I had to switch it to the Rollie. But do you think or do you know of any new emerging technology? Like I've always said, what if they take the Oura Ring guts or like the little sensor on the Apple Watch, put that in the AirPods or like?

Some other form of non-invasive thing where you don't look like the guy who has the big aura ring on at dinner or whatever. You know what I mean? I will tell you that there is a company that might make eyewear that might be working on that. Okay. Are you on the board of that as well, Harley? Yeah. Are you making money off this too? I am not in the cannabis business. I am not in the eyewear business. I am not in the diet soda business in any of those. Can you give me a job in any of these? It seems like this is very embarrassing. I like that you're responding to us like you're being deposed, and I like that. That's kind of the vibe we're going for. What I have learned is that in today's digital era, everything you say and everything you write can be twisted and construed into something else. I'm very sensitive about that. I mean, I hope to get to that level one day where I have to care about what I say and do digitally. We talk too much. We don't have a choice. I have a friend who was texting someone else and they were saying, what are you doing this weekend? And said, my in-laws are coming to town, you know, kill me. And then that person took that text read where it says, kill me. Or no, it says, I want to kill myself as you know, they're speaking tongue in cheek. And they took that and sent that to someone else said, my friend is suicidal. We should do an intervention. What do you mean? I want to kill myself. And they honestly all got together. And, you know, my friend tells the story and he's like, what? I want to kill all you. I'm fine. Look at the text read. Read the context of what I said. So today was soundbites. You never know. Yeah, I would. I would get rid of all those friends. Brian Johnson, he's in the news a lot, living forever. What have you learned from him? Did you watch the documentary? What have I learned from him? I'm trying to think. I'm selecting my words. I'm selecting my words. While you're thinking, everyone had their preconceived notions about him. This guy's a freak. He has clear skin. He looks twice as old as he is. He wants to have sex with his son and watch his son have sex with other people, blah, blah, blah. I watched the documentary.

And I was like, at least this guy is willing to pay his own money, sacrifice his own body for the future of science. He's a guinea pig on his own self, electively. And I think that part is cool. You know, other parts of it, not so much. Let me run through the thoughts. So number one, I understand he's a very nice person. So let me preface by saying if he's a nice person, I have a massive. margin of error for people that are nice people yeah so that's the most important thing the second thing is it's obvious he's very intelligent he seems like an intelligent guy the third would be it seems like he has some sort of psychological um irregularity that he's decided to do this and these things to himself and and that's on him because he's not hurting anybody he's doing this to himself Apparently also to his son, though. Yeah, I think tracking your son's nighttime erections is causing problems somehow, but maybe not right now. Well, apparently he's taking his son's blood and injecting himself with his son's blood and stuff with the urine. I think that's sweet. I think that's sweet. He gave his plasma to his dad as well. Lance Armstrong style, damn. I'm whole brothers and plasma brothers with my own son, baby. Let's go. Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. Statistical significance, right? So if you're doing a scientific study on a food or a supplement or a drug and you have one person in the study, it's an N of one. It has no power. There's no statistical power to that. So you don't learn anything. It doesn't matter what the person experiences, whether it be curing a disease or making the disease worse. It doesn't mean anything because it's one person. So he's an N of one. So I'm not learning anything from him at all. at all at all um in fact i don't know what he's learning because he's doing so many things to himself i think he's taking 40 or 50 pills a day he's doing stuff all this crazy stuff he's spinning his blood he's injecting this he's doing that he's he has this gun that shoots his penis to bruise it to bring blood flow so when you're doing

500 things to yourself. Hold on. Hold on. I want to hear more about that, but go ahead. Go ahead. He's taking a – I forget what they're called. It's not an ultrasound, but it's like ultrasound, and it sends these zaps of impact. And so sports medicine uses them for soft tissue injuries sometimes. It's pretty painful. He's using it on the shaft of his penis because he thinks it will increase blood flow. Look, he's not hurting anybody, and he seems like a nice person and a smart person. Okay, but you're saying this idea that it will increase blood flow is from his personal research. There's nothing else to kind of prove that this is something that will happen if you do that. No, there's not a cohort of people. He's breaking ground. And by the way, if he listens to your podcast, which I'm sure he does, I've only heard you're a nice person. You seem very intelligent. And it seems like you're on a mission to do this for yourself. And I support whatever you want to do for yourself. You're not hurting anyone in the process. But I will say the second I first saw him on social media and someone said, I said, this guy's doing this to promote a product that he's about to come out with. And I was right. Now he's hawking products and selling powders and pills. And yeah, I mean, hopefully, like you said, he's a nice guy and hopefully he will take all of the world's thoughts on what he's doing and course correct and be like, hey, I was being a little fucking weird. I listen to some people, and I'm honing it in and changing it. That's all we can hope for. Also, his process is not one that you could do if you have a job or if you have children or if you have any responsibilities in life or if you enjoy food or if you enjoy socializing or if you are living life. I don't believe he's what we call living life in a traditional sense or in any sense, but what he's doing is bringing him joy and not hurting anyone else. Yeah, free country. Yeah, the in-house, in the documentary, like the in-house kind of staff tracking stuff, I was just like, oh, this is a full-time, like every second of your day, this is what you're doing. There's no, you're right, there's no time for anything, anything else. Yeah, nothing is improvised whatsoever. And I think he goes to bed some crazy hour and his room is like a certain temperature.

Some hygienically, hermetically sealed space with no just white walls, white bed sheets, no anything. You know, it's like being in an asylum. It's a kill room. But it's not. Yes. It's from American Psycho. It's weird. It has a big drain in the middle of the floor. I don't know what that's for. Remember the movie Saw? Yeah. Yeah. He's going for that. He's going for that. No loads refused Saw. Okay. I want to talk about sauna do's and don'ts. We're both big sauna lovers. You know, people talk about the sauna cold plunge, boom, boom. Other people say you don't want to do that. It'll fuck up your pores. You want to, you know, what do you think the do's and don'ts of sauna are? I'm going to flip it around and ask you a few questions first. Please. How many steps a day do you take every day? I would say averaging maybe like 7,000. Okay. What did you have for breakfast today? Nothing. Water, coffee. So I've only started asking questions. Before you start to think about plunging and sauna-ing and cryotherapy, are you eating as well as you can eat? Are you exercising as much as you need to to feel and look great? Are you taking care of your sleep hygiene? These basic things. that are you know if you triage your health approach these are the foundation i would say the hot cold stuff is way way way way up the mountain and before we even think like do i need to do this is this going to help me the answer is you're talking about the icing on the cake you haven't even made a cake you just got you're sitting there with a bunch of icing That's my first answer. But icing yummy. But I see all my favorite guys on Instagram that get up at 3 a.m., and they're ripped, and they live in Austin, and they have a Rivian, and I want to be like that. So I thought the ice plunge was the only way to do it. I thought that was the only way. You're saying there's other ways? They're not showing you the hormones they're taking. They're not showing you all of the other stuff that's happening. I'm not insinuating that all of them are taking hormones.

Generally, there's a certain group of people on social media that are not showing you how the sausage is made. They're not natty. Well, I'm not a cold plunge lover, but I'm not really speaking for myself specifically. I work out an average amount. I'm not a crazy fitness person. I eat pretty well and healthy, but I also drink and do drugs and smoke. I go to sleep early. I get enough sleep, but it could always be better. But I sauna maybe five times a week and I really love it. But maybe I'm doing it wrong. No. So my first thing I wanted to say was, you know, when people feel like, oh, I'm doing it wrong. I'm not plunging. I'm not sounding. I'm not cold. I'm like, hold on a second before you even worry about that stuff. That's not the essential fundamentals you need to feel great and look great and live long. But if it brings you joy. and you're not doing it at the expense of not doing the other more important things, then great. So number one, there is little to no scientific benefit of plunging in any way, exposing yourself to extreme cold. Let's go. With the exception of anxiety, with the exception of dopamine issues, depression, it's incredible how effective plunging is for people that are in a negative thought spiral. Because it doesn't matter what you're thinking about. When you get in that 45 degree temperature water, you're not thinking about anything other than the here and the now. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. OK, so people who have just like inside their mind is just an orchestra playing at full volume, just like and that for extreme cases of depression, anxiety that will center you. So all you can think about is, oh, my God, I'm so cold. I can't wait until this is over. Yeah, so that's one thing. I think the second thing is there was recently some very smart people who are not going to lie to you, but they have podcasts in the health space. And when you have a podcast in the health space, you go from being an educator to an entertainer because if you do one podcast a month, you have enough content that's interesting and new and different. If you're doing podcasts every day or every week, you've got to fill it with stuff. As you know, I'm here.

They're giving you tangential stuff that is not dishonest, but it's out of context. And as an example, you look at Atia and Huberman. Both of them are smart guys. They're not going to lie to you. They're educated. I like them both. One of them more than the other because they're Canadian. But both of them are very high on saunas. And recently, Atia quoted a study that showed that if you sauna, I think it's 45 minutes every day of your life. It reduces mortality by 60%, something like that. And I think that's just such a misrepresentation of the actual study that they're talking about. So they're not saying that the sauna makes you live longer. They're saying people who sauna an hour a day every day live longer than other people. Now let's work backwards. Who are the kind of people who sauna an hour a day every day? First of all, they probably are wealthy. They have their own sauna. They have an hour a day to do that. What else are they doing? If you're the person who's doing an hour a day of sauna, you're probably also exercising. You're probably also eating well. You're probably not drinking too much alcohol. So there's all these other confounding factors. It's more correlational and not causational. So that's just something to keep in mind. Makes perfect sense. Personal question. How hard is it to, quote unquote, find your glutes? I'm kind of built like a chopstick and I'm trying to see. Sometimes I feel like I find them, but finding your glutes is something I've heard pop up in the world a little bit more lately. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think some people have trouble connecting to certain muscle groups and therefore activating them, developing them. Jason's got trouble connecting to all muscle groups from what I can tell, but maybe he's doing better than I think. I'm doing better than you think, Chris. Come on. We can do a pull-up contest whenever you want. I'll say it again, Chris. I think the dinner that I met you at, there was a fitness person next to you, right, or two over from you? Yeah. Yeah, there were Olympic athletes. Okay. There was Olympic athletes across from you, and then there was a female personal trainer or fitness person. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she was talking to my wife, I think. She wouldn't talk to me, so maybe I don't know. But the short answer is connecting with your glutes, connecting with your abdominals, your core.

It can be challenging for a lot of people. I think there are certain exercises that are better than others to help you connect with your glutes. Resistance is really important. So larger muscle groups are engaged at higher resistance. You can't really activate your glutes effectively and strengthen them at light weights or just, you know, you need more. Secondly, there's something called the muscle size velocity relationship. The larger muscle groups like glutes are engaged at higher velocities. So you want to be explosive through a motion for your glutes to engage it. So heavier weight, be explosive, be consistent, and then do less of the muscle groups that are taking over the work for your glutes. So less quads so that your quads don't continue to get stronger as your glutes are trying to catch up. Yeah, okay. So what's an example of a high-weight explosive? Is that like when you're doing your Romanian deadlift? popping it big or is it something different yeah to some extent yeah i would say whether you're doing hip thrust uh with a glue drive or you got to get on your hips you got to get on the hot girl hip hip thrust machine that's one of my favorites yeah the belt kind of hurts my waist though harley is there anything i don't want to put the pad i don't i know but i feel like a pussy you know what i mean i i just feel weak if i use the pad you know there's some it's like lifting weights with gloves on hoist does a roller It's a foam roller that goes in your hips instead. Okay, that's nice. That feels like functional more than just strictly like, I'm hurt. No, you won't feel like a bitch. Then you'll be fine. No, but that machine, it's funny because I feel like there was a point where you only saw women doing that exercise, and now that has changed completely. Yes. Now I see men maybe more on that machine or doing the hip thrust with a barbell than I've ever seen before. which is which i think is the uh jason it's because people want to connect to their glutes you're right and and not just the glute maximus but the glute media so the glutes that are located on the side of the hip and when you sit down to do abduction oh you got to get the side you know oh you got to get the side that's some pilates shit ass so fat you can see it from the front is uh believe the classic line that we're trying to achieve that is that is as men that's what we're all trying to achieve a hundred percent i expected at this point that i read the list of um

how much OnlyFans people make and the top earners and OnlyFans. I would have expected for them to reach out to work with me. I'm saying mainly actors and musicians and stuff, but what are they doing? If you're out there listening and you're training these OnlyFans people... What are you doing with them? How is your training different? Their training is that is very interesting. They go to a country called Brazil and they have some surgeries and they go back to Ohio where they're from and kind of drive their Bentley. It's a very simple equation. I think you're spot on. Most of the ones I've seen is just a collection of plastic surgeries and Monjaro. I don't think they're working out too much. It's a combo. I mean, I've I've always been. I want to become an actor just so I can get in shape for a role. That's been my dream for a very long time. I think it's like having that North Star and being fully committed to being like, I'm Gladiator. I got four months. This is fucking it. He's so appealing to me. Chris loves a real deadline like that because the role of his life is not good enough. He needs it to be a... It's not. A Fox Searchlight needs to be the person who's telling him. I think it was... GQ magazine had a writer named Joel Stein. Do you know Joel Stein? He's an amazing writer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he wrote a piece on how to become a movie star, and they sent him to me for [redacted address] we do. Spider-Man, Catwoman, Green Hornet, X-Men, all the films we've worked on. And we transformed his physique, and he wrote a six, seven-page article about the experience. So you don't have to be a movie star to go through that process. Yeah, no, I know that. You hear that, Chris? You just have to have... And also, Chris writes for GQ. Let's do this shit again. Let's go. It's been 10 years. This is a while ago. Yeah, okay. 10 years ago. Yeah, there's been so many advancements in technology. I think we need to redo this article. Will Welch is listening. I'll greenlight the budget. You said 10. What do you charge for 10 weeks, Harley? Oh. What's money? You know, great answer. What is the what was the I know this was a long time ago, but what was the like diet portion? Did you deal with that? Or is it strictly like I'm going to suggest some things, but you got to work out. My background is in nutritional sciences. I teach nutrition at the University of Toronto and I've written eight nutrition books. So that's my my jam. We we did.

I think he did The Body Reset Diet, which was a book that had just come out at the time. I didn't know if Condé Nast could afford that part. That's kind of what I was suggesting. I know that you know. I just didn't know if you were sharing that information with Joel. If they chose the deluxe package. It's like going to the car wash. We don't need the tinting. We don't need the under armor coat. No, you don't need to do the wheels. We're good on that. We're good on that. Okay. But what is the, I guess. If I'm trying to get into not I don't want to look like The Rock, but, you know, I want to I want to look good. I want to look Marvel good. What is the optimal amount of time if I'm fully committed for you to get me there? Like, what would you like? So so that's interesting. The films that I worked on, we've done, I think, close to 200 feature films. I have never given hormones or prescription medications of any kind. to any of my clients to get them in shape or transform all right i'm out never mind i thought i was going to get to get some shots that's william morris endeavor's job that's not harley's job that being said when i was coming up when i was a young kid i was most influenced by uh during the reagan era schwarzenegger stallone van damme and obviously there was hormone use by all of them they're open and honest about it at the time they looked Every young boy wanted to look like Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Van Damme. And then I think the optimal physique changed in films for a long time. You had Tobey Maguire for Spider-Man. He was in shape, but he wasn't big and bulky. You had Brad Pitt in Troy. He was in shape, but he wasn't big and bulky. That's what I'm going for. That body type is done. No one wants that anymore. Only you. Because you start to have the use of hormones in a lot of projects and people get freaky big. And when people corner, what's his name who used to be a football player? He was in Trainwreck with Amy Schumer. He's hysterical. He's massive. I was thinking John Cena, but no. Yes, John Cena. John Cena. John Cena, The Rock. Anytime they're in interviews and they're asked if they're natural and if they take drugs, they always say, I don't take drugs. I'm natural. And I don't blame them for saying that because do you really want them to?

Admit to a felony on national television. And by the way, if I was making $50 million a movie, there's very few drugs I wouldn't take and hormones. So I don't fault them in any way. And I think hormones and drugs don't give them that physique. They have to work their ass off still and eat well. And so I don't fault them for not being honest about their process. But at the same time, for the young guys out there looking at those guys, that's not attainable unless you have a lifetime of hormone use. And I don't recommend you do it. I don't care how much chicken you eat after work. You ain't getting, you ain't going to seen a mode without, without some extra. No, no, no. I, but what is the optimal? What do you think? If I want to look like Brad Pitt, how much time do you need with me? If I'm all in, I would need to see your physique first. I need to understand what you've been doing in the past. Sure. You know, there's shows like the biggest loser where sometimes they would cast people in a way where, They already were really lean their whole life where they were a high school athlete, and then they got depressed and gained a bunch of weight. So they would be great candidates to lose the weight because they used to look great. They can bring them up. Whereas if you've been obese your entire life, it's not so easy just in six weeks transforming your body. I'd need to see what you look like. I'd need to see your injury status. Because typically it's a lot more difficult when you have a person who's in good shape, works out a lot, and then to get them from 95% to 100%. That's the hard part. The first 100 pounds is the easiest to lose, as I always say. Exactly. If someone's drinking 10 Cokes a day and you cut it down to five, they're going to lose a pound every single day by changing nothing else. Well, that's what I discovered when I... stopped when i got sober it was like oh you'll never be able to replicate this again it just melts you just look different in three months it's like it just happens immediately and there's nothing i can do unless i change my lifestyle completely to ever mimic that again you've already got everything tweaked up to 11 as it is so you need to start adding more knobs i guess oh great spinal tap reference that's right yeah that that reminds me of when i like name the person who said it

I can't. I forgot. Nigel Tufnel. Nigel. Nigel. Yes. Guy called Nigel. I want to ask how the egg shortage is affecting the games community, Hartley. So what's interesting is this is the second time I've experienced an egg shortage. Not personally, but I've lived during an egg shortage. And he's like, bro, I got $9 for a dozen. Don't worry about me, bro. I'm doing just fine. And I'll tell you three things. Number one, I have a chicken coop at my house anyways. And I started off with 10 chickens and I was getting eight to nine eggs a day. A lot of them have died along the way. It's just it happens. But I have my own eggs. So that's the first thing. The second thing is the last time there was an egg shortage, it affected the food industry in such a way that it's still impacted today. And eggs are used as an additive for so many processed foods that the food industry turned around like, well, we need to find other protein sources. And that's when collagen. And pea protein became common. So you're seeing collagen today. It's a crappy, crappy. protein source and so is pea protein but they're cheap and they're abundant and so the last time we had an egg shortage and a dairy shortage at the same time these became popular and we're still seeing them today and and they can be labeled as gluten-free and vegan and blah blah blah where eggs not so much or whey exactly harley what's your smoothie intake looking like or are you whole foods only no this guy is this guy uses a blender 10 times a day the body reset diet book is based on using a blender yeah yeah but i'm asking i'm asking you i'm asking on a daily basis though are you hitting sun life are you hitting air one are you making a smoothie after your workout are you dude i will never go out for smoothies hell no first of all if you can't make a smoothie There is no skill involved putting four things and pressing a button. Do not call for me on my own podcast. Do not attack me. I'm friendly with the owner of Erewhon, and God bless him for just doing a beautiful job and creating an incredible business, and I don't want to doubt that for one second, and good for him, and he's a nice person. But those things are not good for you. Those Erewhon smoothies are so many calories, so much sugar, so expensive.

You know, and most of the ingredients there don't have any evidence to support health benefits associated with them. Same with Sun Life. Again, bless them. I know the guy who owns that, too. Super nice guy. This is not a knock on their business. Bless him, actually, because he's religious. So he'll actually take that to heart. But, I mean, I think that, no, everyone knows that you're right. I think that that's the thing. I think most people. are choosing to ignore the facts they know about things like that because it's easier. I think smoothies are easy to make. It's easy to dump a bunch of shit in a blender and hit the power button and then pour it into a cup. It's the going to the store and buying these perishable items and fruits and vegetables and powders and liquids is the hill that a lot of people are not able to climb. I will say this, two things. People who prepare their own food. live longer, are healthier, are leaner, eat better. And I get it. You want to go out to the best Italian restaurant in town because they cook it better than you go. You want to have sushi at a great sushi place because it's not so easy sourcing good fish and go. But a smoothie, an omelet, stuff like that, it's too easy. And second of all, I'm not going to name the name, but I had a partnership with the largest smoothie retail chain in America for a while. And at point of sale, they had my smoothies. I saw behind the curtain. Okay. I saw the wizard behind the curtain. Mr. Jamba did not please you. Okay. Understood. I didn't say that. I didn't name anything. Luckily, I'm more of a smoothie king guy myself. So what are you putting in your smoothie today? I'm going to make a smoothie after this. Today, I'm actually doing – I either do a sweet smoothie for breakfast or I do a savory smoothie soup for lunch. And today my lunch is my viral green soup. By the way, 34 years I've been in business, written books, done stuff, whatever. I will only be remembered for this one soup recipe that got viral on Instagram. They're like, oh, you're the green soup guy. I'm like.

F you. I'm a dad. I'm a good person. Yeah, but the soup. I mean, but the soup. Dude, six and a half million people have engaged with that one post. Six and a half million with that one post. That's a lot of soup. Green soup. Okay, what's in the soup? I steam some broccoli. That's easy. Just this much water, broccoli, boom. I take the steamed broccoli as soon as like, you know, after four or five minutes, throw it in the blender. The water that I used to steam the broccoli goes in the blender. I put in a little bouillon vegetable cube, goes in the blender. I put some chickpeas in the blender and I put half an avocado in the blender and I press blend. And you end up with cream of broccoli soup. It has protein, fiber, healthy fats. It's delicious. You can add a little hot sauce on top and that's my lunch. Okay. And how many ounces are you eating of this? How many ounces? You do eat it with a spoon. You eat it with a spoon. I actually put it in a mug. I have two mugs of it and I sip it because as I'm working, I like to... To have my soup that way. It depends how thick your soup is. Depending on how much water will change the consistency. How much does that make? That blender will make four portions for most people. I have three portions for me. Okay. And a vegetable bouillon cube. Yes. And that way you don't have to know how to cook. How do I season it? How much pepper? Don't worry. Drop the bouillon and the seasoning is taken care of. Okay. Drop the cube. Thoughts on MSG? MSG in moderate amounts in human beings does not pose a health risk or detriment. The research that looked at MSG and any detriments or negatives whatsoever are massive amounts, and I believe mainly in rats. I agree. Sorry, I'm just running down the line with all these questions. By the way, I should probably come back to talk about it, but in Q3, I have a new book coming out. It's my first book in several years. It took me three and a half years to write. They have pre-orders already. It's called the Carb Reset on Amazon. Are we rethinking the way that carbs have been shunned? It's basically the anti-Atkins, anti-keto book. It's the opposite. Here, I'll just give you a little thing to think about. What's the longest-living, healthiest country in the world? Is it a Nordic country or Japan? They're up there. You're right on all those. Japan and the Nordic countries are right up there.

What's the most unhealthy large country in the world? America, obviously. Okay. What country is amongst the highest consumers of carbohydrates as a percentage of their calories in the world? Japan. Oh. What country is one of the lowest consumers of carbohydrates on earth as a percentage of their calories? America. Damn. That's surprising intel. Honestly, I did not know. Any of the 15 healthiest countries in the world that have the longest lifespan, lowest diet, diabetes, heart disease, cancers, they all receive most of their calories from carbohydrates. The countries that tend to be the most unhealthy, coincidentally, most of them have low-carbohydrate diets, very high-fat diets. The other thing to think about is between 1972 and 2022, 50 years, the average American consumes 700 calories more per day. Of those 700 calories, how many calories do you think are coming from additional sugar? 26. 26 of the 700? Yeah. What do you think? I'm going to go over. I'm going to say 500. 40. 40 of the 700 additional calories are coming from sugar. So we don't want to overeat sugar. That's 100% accurate. But our problem is we have added fats to everything. And quite often when we think about, oh, I'm cutting carbs and I'm losing weight, No more donuts. Donuts are a fact. They're not a carb. They receive most of their calories from the oil. French fries are not a carb. They're mainly a fact. They receive most of their calories from the oil. Hell yeah. All right. Shit. All right. Krispy Kreme's on me, baby. Yes. By the way, there's a time and place for everything. But it's a return to carbohydrates. It's, you know, science has always supported us having a primarily carbohydrate diet with protein and with fats and having the right carbs and the right amounts. can actually help you get lean and stay lean more than any other diet out there. Okay. Is rice the main carbohydrate that the Japanese people are consuming? Yeah. Rice is the main staple of the Japanese diet, the South Korean diet, the Singaporean diet, and the Chinese diet. And those are four of the 10 healthiest countries in the world. Thoughts on white rice versus brown rice? Whatever brings you joy. Brown rice is not that much more nutritious for you.

And as long as you're eating rice with vegetables and lean proteins and healthy fats, it's not going to make a big difference. OK, so the additional fiber, you know, people will debate that the brown rice has additional fibers that are good for you. And then other people will say those your body is unable to break those down anyway. So there's no point in eating it. Yeah, the brown is the whole of the fiber and fiber is good for you. But you're probably getting fiber from other sources in the meal. So that's fine. And the other thing is you'll hear some people out there on social media trying to get clickbait saying brown rice will kill you. It's higher in arsenic. Yeah, but if you rinse your rice, it's the same. Learning so much, my friend. I'm always trying to avoid arsenic. So that's important. Yeah, I was thinking about yesterday about desserts and I was thinking that. I invented a thing called walking desserts. Only if you can eat it while you're walking, you should have it for dessert. Donut fits into it, an apple, a banana, an ice cream cone. But as soon as you have to sit down to eat it, you need a plate and a fork or a bowl or a spoon. I think that's when it gets into danger territory. And you should always eat your desserts while you're standing. Yes. I like that. It's interesting. I can't write a book around it, but it's interesting. It's a chapter. It's not a whole book. All right. Well, I'm going to head down to the 7-Eleven, get a couple of Twix, and just kind of walk home snacking on those. Walk home snacking on them. We'll bounce it out. Yeah, just don't eat it horizontally. All right. I think, Chris, do you have any other questions? Are we good? Harley, I'm very enlightened. I appreciate your time. Thank you for indulging our litany of questions, my friend. This is stuff we think about and talk about on the show all the time, but we obviously are not experts, so it's nice to have someone weigh in that actually does know what they're talking about. And in Copenhagen, I just mentioned Copenhagen earlier today because one of my favorite actors is Giancarlo Esposito. Yeah, yeah. He's amazing, right? From Breaking Bad and The Gentleman. Sure. Legend. For some reason, I read something six months ago that he died, and I've been mourning his death ever since. And someone was saying they had just met with him. And I got into a big argument, and I looked up his bio, and he is alive and well. The Mandela Effect. He's from Copenhagen, Denmark, which I had no idea. He doesn't live here anymore, but he's from here originally. Exactly, yeah.

Yeah, I wouldn't think anyone, even if it's a stage name, Esposito isn't giving Danish. Oh, actually, but it's not Danish. But listen to his full name, Giancarlo Esposito. Okay, you want to hear his birth name? This is going to blow you away. Sounds like it's in Jersey. Here we go. Hold on, let's see. Giancarlo, first he's 66. His birth name is Giancarlo Giuseppe Alessandro Esposito. Whoa. That's even better than his stage name, honestly. I want all of that. I would list it all. He's the son of an Italian stagehand and carpenter from Napoli named Giovanni Gianesposito. Bravo. And his mother was Lisa Foster, an African-American opera singer. Wow. Wow, that's cool. Okay, well, let us celebrate his... Not death today, Harley. Yes. Long live Giancarlo. Long live Giancarlo. Actually, lastly, I know you've worked with hundreds and hundreds of celebs and cool, famous people and actors and musicians. Who are you working with right now? Should I look at my schedule today? Let's run down the schedule. Indulge us. That person you won't know. Oh, Jonas Wood, the famous artist. Oh, the artist, of course, yeah. Benny Blanco with Blake Slatkin, music producers. Oh, friends of the show. Okay. Friends of the show, Benny Blanco. Those two getting it in. His body's looking better. Those you won't know. Ariana Grande. Okay. That person you won't know. You won't know the other people. I work with a lot of people, but some of them are. A lot of people are outside of the United States these days. They're foreign nationals. They're diplomats. They're Middle Eastern people. So you're doing a lot of virtual. You say it's like more than half. I would say two-thirds of my practice are people who do not live in the same country as me. I monitor their food, their sleep, their fitness every day. There's an exchange. We have a digital exchange over WhatsApp or email where I keep track of all their sleep data, all their food data, all their fitness stuff.

uh, conduit between them and all their physicians. So I advocate for them. Um, and yeah, it's pretty cool. What time did Ariana Grande wake up today, brother? It's okay if you can't tell me. She doesn't need to wake up. She's permanently ready. That, that, no, you don't have to get, you don't have to get ready if you stay ready, Jason. That's good advice. That's amazing. By the way, can I tell you something? I've been working with her for so many years. You've never met a sweeter, kinder, nicer. She's never late one second. She's always on time. She always works hard. She's always kind. She's always polite. She is... A very special person. I really like when the most famous people actually deliver on the promise and show up on time and work hard versus what I think we assume most of them do, which is show up four hours late and kind of half-ass it. I say half-half. Half are great. That makes sense. Half are horrible. Yeah, that makes sense. And the horrible ones, you know. Hey, the check still clears, baby. We'll talk about Jonah Hill another episode. All right, Harley, thank you so much for chatting with us. Thank you, Harley. Thank you. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. I don't know if you knew this, but anyone can get the same premium wireless for $15 a month plan that I've been enjoying. It's not just for celebrities. So do like I did and have one of your assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do at MintMobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of $45 for three-month plan equivalent to $15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. Feeful terms at MintMobile.com.