687. - The Dare

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Happy Labor Day to my hardest working co-host, them jeans. I know that you're taking it easy today, putting the brats on the grill, but we had to get a podcast in first due to scheduling. Yeah, not taking it easy today, just working all day. But I ate a hot dog yesterday. You know, I got ahead of it. You got your glizzy out of the way. I mean, look, Labor Day is for people who actually work. I don't think we actually work. If you're laying tile, you're laying brick, you deserve the day off. You know what I mean? Government employees, podcasters, influencers, you don't deserve the day off. And if you work at an ad agency, you should be in there with your MacBook open right now getting to work because that fucking Dan and Yogurt account ain't going to sort itself. We've got the Dan and Pitch on Wednesday, and Labor Day doesn't change that. It doesn't change that. It doesn't change that. It doesn't change that. I mean, you could take Labor Day off. There's a lot of other agencies that would probably love to have subpar work. Exactly. I'll happily hit your LinkedIn because I know you're going to hit Glassdoor and we're going to be at odds. So we might as well get this over with. But the people don't seem to be – this weekend in New York is the most tourist I feel like I've ever – it feels like everyone in the city is a tourist. And I didn't think that – because I don't – is today a holiday anywhere but Canada? Is it a holiday? Is it a bank holiday?

in the UK. I don't think it is. I don't think so. It is in Canada. The word labor means something a lot different over there. That's true. It has a different meaning. They speak the same language, but yeah, because it's, you know, if you're in Canada, you're hitting Muskoka. If you've got a rich friend or rich parents, you know, taking the boat out, doing that whole thing. But if you're in America. So they have Labor Day in Canada? Yeah, it's obviously, I think it's called Labor Day. I don't think it has it. Sometimes they do something in Canada called Family Day, which is really funny. That's the most Canadian shit I've ever heard in my life. But I think it's actually something. I think it's just actually Labor Day. You can go get a nice sail, you know, get something, some off-white on sail at Holt Renfrew, I'm sure. It's a big day. Okay, that's huge. Happy for everyone out there. Yeah, I think, you know, as one gets older, your need and desire for holiday celebration really deteriorates. And, you know, mostly it's your birthday that you don't want to celebrate. A reminder that you're just crawling, inching slowly towards death. Yeah, I don't want to die, to quote Queen. Speaking of birthdays, isn't it? No. Isn't it your birthday today when this comes out? It's the 4th. Okay. All right. So, okay. We're coming up. TJ, one step closer to death. No, I mean, but this will come out technically on the 4th, though. This will come out. Oh, you're right. You're right. My bad. My bad. Okay. So this is your birthday episode. Is there any gratitude you would like to give or any kind of anything you'd like to say to our listeners? Is birthday a gratitude thing? I thought you'd just make a wish for blowjob million dollars and you blow a candle, thus putting my bacteria from my troubled mouth all over the food that we're all about to eat. We've got to figure out a new way. I feel like blowing out the candles, the days are numbered. Okay, relax. Relax, Fauci. Relax, Fauci. Okay, we're done with that. Come on. Okay, wash your hands while you sing happy birthday. Go ahead. I personally... am okay with it but also sometimes you're you're at a birthday party for maybe one of your skeezier uh friends or family members yeah and that cake's looking real good we got the magnolia bakery nana pudding lined up it's been it's don't talk to me don't talk

Don't talk to me about – you know that's a trigger for me. See? But, I mean, it's there. It could happen. You probably had a birthday that involved Magnolia banana pudding, and you got – you see me come through. I got a Hestia hanging out of my mouth. I just did a shot of J-Mo, and then I'll go over. Let me blow on that thing. You can't unsee it, but I'm okay with it. I think rubbing a little dirt, rubbing a little bacteria, whatever, it's fine. It's healthy. It's all good. But I'm saying just the way – that the world is turning and the way that we're heading, I feel like we're, we're days or months away from seeing some type of sustainable candle blowing solution for, for a new world. You know what I mean? I don't, I don't think this is something that I'm sure somebody has been innovating for months. Somebody, you know, I'm sure somebody raised a $5 million seed round to fix this problem, but we, we haven't gotten there yet. I'm envisioning some type of, I'm envisioning some type of like, I mean, I wish Johnny Ives were here to ideate with me, but I'm thinking kind of like the candle snip, you know, when the diptyp goes out. You've got that little kind of $35 useless thing. The Biretos scissors. They're different. They're different. Yeah, either that or like the little tiny, you know, it's like a little bell on a metal rod and you put it over. Yeah, that's an extinguisher. There's also a wick trimmer. Yeah, I'm thinking a hybrid of those two items in some way. Okay, okay. And it'll kind of be like a return to Victorian-era birthday celebration. It's giving coquette. It is, it is. I've been thinking about birthday cakes because my birthday is coming up too. And I was remembering when the popular cake place left me on red for my 40th birthday. And I just couldn't believe that. I still can't believe it. You're friends with them, so I'm not going to say. oh oh um uh quarter sheets yes yes and i just they're fine they don't care oh okay well then fuck you for leaving me on red no i'm yeah well then fuck you guys and your mid-ass pete no i'm just kidding i've never had anything from there um i'm sure it's good yeah i was actually just thinking about it a couple days ago how like it's a bummer that tomatoes are on my no fly list because i am well overdue for going there but i think that this is all set up for a redeeming moment

They're a small business. They were busy. They were cranking. I love that you think I care if somebody's a small business. I'm the biggest small business supporter of this podcast, and I still don't care if they're a small business. If they wanted to get support, they would respond to my message and let me pay $400 for a cake. It's not like it's a sheet cake from Publix. I think it was literally $300 or something, which is fine. I'm happy to pay. This kind of feels like... like when there's some type of item, maybe like a Rolex or something like that, or like a Birkin bag, and somebody, you know, some gap-toothed yokel comes through, they just won the lottery, and they're saying, I don't get it, I've got the money, I want to buy the Birkin bag, and they're saying, look, it's not that simple, okay? It's sort of meant for certain people. Yeah. That sort of fit the vibe and the energy and maybe come back next year or something. Yeah, if you could just pull up with two kids and a Volvo station wagon and live in Silver Lake or Echo Park, we would happily sell you one. But if you're cool and you come from West Hollywood, I'm sorry, we just can't. We can't. It's kind of against our... It's like when the place wouldn't sell a cake for a gay wedding. That's their vibe. That's the vibe. If you're cool and come from West Hollywood. I don't know who that would be. I don't know who that would be. That's just an example of something. I think all this is to say the stage has been set for a redemption meal. I think when you touch down and if you're able to sort of spread your wings and fly over here from cool West Hollywood, I think we will set up a reservation. and they are going to serve us a beautiful meal, and you're going to remark about how fresh the market greens are and how the pizza crust is unstoppable. Look, I'm sure it's delicious. There's no question it's delicious, but it's like courage bagels. I don't care enough to try it. I don't care enough to put the effort in, even though I'm sure it's delicious. That many people can't be wrong. Even if you have a plug, it still feels like too much of a whole thing, doesn't it? It's just like, it's just...

It's like everything else. Once it reaches a certain point, I don't care anymore. And if it's easy to try it, of course I will because it's delicious. But if not, I'm not going to put the effort in. I just don't care. Period. I wanted to talk about the new episode of Industry that aired last night because I actually watched it. Did you watch it? I haven't even watched it yet. It is so good. It's so good. Oh, my God. Wait. Sorry to interrupt. A lot of questions. really quick up top is this the first episode that you've seen have you seen episodes one of season three yeah yeah yeah i've seen i've seen season two and and episodes from this season yes okay never mind but i was just like this this is some motherfucking a-list emmy award-winning shit right here unfortunately it does it's getting compared to it's got the safty stink on it because it's of the energy that it that it has but if you're gonna get This Safdie stink is much better than the Safdie stink on that Adam Sandler special. So I'm happy to see it. If you could describe maybe two signifying distinctions, what does that Safdie stink smell like? Not to get perfume nationalist-y on it, but what are the scent notes? It's lighting, always. It's just the way that it's shot and the way it feels like everything's about to explode at all times. I think the word most people used to describe it is anxiety or anxious. Everything's about to explode at all times. That's fun, Chris. Uncut gems. But this episode, honestly, was amazing. It was as good as TV gets, I have to say. This is like... This is like Ayo's episode that she directed of the bear. Oh, baby. Well, this has cocaine as well as violence and sex and gambling. Obviously, that's what the show is all about. So it's an episode of industry. Got it. Yeah, but this feels a little more, I guess because it's focused on, it's basically just one character. It's about the Indian homie. It's the Indian homie, but only, it's like really about him only.

Which is a cool thing to do on a show like this, I feel like. Not unlike the episode of The Bear, where it's all about one singular character. We're building the backstory. I think Rishi's my favorite character on the show. He's basically like... He's giving you what Ari on Entourage used to give us, but in a way that is whatever. 2000. Jason, just so you know, our guest is running a few minutes late, so we can just keep rocking if you want. Okay, that's cool. Our guest is late. What else is new? Yeah, I think I really like every British show. I think maybe that's one reason why you're so allergic to successions and white load highs and things like that, but I think you're okay with it when it is British. because you know the dialogue is just always going to be better just in every way but the one thing that british shows i feel like rely on a bit too much and i'm not saying industry does it but they they cannot stop or they they can't call drugs by their name like they like legally have to use a cheeky nickname for every drug like you can never say like would you like to do cocaine or like would you like to smoke some weed it's always just like this cool fun cheeky i mean it's more it's more of a guy richie trope i guess but everything is is like a punny name for the drug which is no shed sounds pretty shitty to me but i understand what you're saying i mean it's also just i don't even think that has to do with being british i think it has to do with it being like like white lotus is not fun to watch like this was fun to watch like succession i understand can be fun to watch because it's the same kind of thing it's like people just talking shit to each other really fast. That's kind of, that's like a whole genre of TV is people being mean to each other in a clever way, using fun language and talking very fast. That's like a whole genre of TV. So it's not, not this podcast as well. I mean, sort of, but it, but it's not like it's, it, it sounds, it doesn't sound like it's.

It doesn't sound realistic, but it doesn't sound that crazy, if that makes sense. We do talk shit on each other, but you could be doing it faster. I'll agree with you on that one. I could. I could. Well, I'm glad that you're joining the zeitgeist and enjoying appointment television with the rest of us rubes, Chris. Do you feel like you've given up? on life are you laying down the swords no i think once i know i think once i had discerning with your your old your eldon years no no once i had dinner with him once i had dinner with conrad like one of the creators i was kind of like i i really like him and i think he's really smart and i was like all right you know what let me give this thing another look because like i i think i i i was not paying attention because i had i had lumped it in with the stuff that you you spoke of earlier yeah you know and that's on me about i felt the same way about suki waterhouse's music i didn't give it a chance at first and then i checked out her instagram and you know i said let's give it another shot and it is good well conrad is hot he's not as hot as suki waterhouse but i see what you mean yeah you know different you know it has nothing to do with hotness it's just like personal brand aesthetic things like that yeah that's what yeah yeah that's yeah i know that's what it has to do with i know you're a big aesthetic guy so i'm glad that you were able to i mean huge i'm in i'm attracted to interiors is that a crime getting worried i'm getting worried about this trip to the u.s open tonight because i was talking to a friend of the show and credentialed journalist and tennis lover jacob gallagher and you know the night session the door opens at seven And there's a women's match tonight before the men's match, which is center versus Tommy Paul, which is exciting that I get to see that. That's like actually really good. Might not start till nine. Nine. Might not start. It might not start until 10. I mean, women's matches can only go so long because it's, you know what I mean? Because it's a little, it's always going to be shorter. Because why, Chris? Because why?

Because it's a different setup. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, it doesn't have to do with, I promise it doesn't have to do with sex. Because they're just, the stamina is not there compared to the fellas? Yeah, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. I mean, but yeah, so I'm a little, I'm like, all right, so. So you could be, you could, so today is a Monday, even though it's a holiday and no days off every day is Tuesday for CB. There's, you know, over under on you getting home is what? 1145? I'll push it. PM? Well, I mean, the problem is the ride there. If we stick around to see the center soon? The ride there is a fucking hour. So it's, I mean, hopefully the ride home will be better, obviously. Yeah. Because it's, you know, not, it's not prime time. But I just don't know. Also, when you don't drink the honey deuces, when you don't eat the chicken strips, it's just raw. I'm not going to buy a fucking hat because I'm not a loser. So it's just me. It's just me. and tennis at 9 p.m. on a Monday for three hours, four hours. It's going to be an interesting test of my will. The seats are amazing. I got my ticket. They sent me my ticket, and the seats are amazing. It's kind of as good as it gets. Which box are you in? It's not a box. That's the thing. It's close. Oh, sweetie. It's much closer, which is better, I think. No, I don't care about a box. Boxes are pointless. They're far away. and they're just bad food, which I don't want. It's like a Delta lounge. Yeah, I hate being in the box. It's so bad. All those chairs, and there's no other people, and free food and drinks forever. It's really bad. Separate bathrooms. It's tough. The problem is people like free food and drinks too much. I've seen you go over there like a vulture. It's disgusting. I don't want that. It's shit that's been sitting out underneath. Look, I don't go to the box for the food. Jason, I'll watch you make... I'll get some carrot sticks, sure. I've watched you make your own version of nachos with Doritos in a box before, so don't even start with me. Look, not every day. The light bulb went off above your head like you had just invented a new dish. And you're like, oh my God, I know what I can do here. And you start scrambling around. Move over Jeremiah Tower. Doritos is chips. Here we go. Honestly, it looked pretty amazing. And I was happy that you have that kind of creativity inside of you. I really do. But no, boxes are fine. I just feel like boxes at...

concerts are are better i feel like than they are at sporting events because at sporting events i feel like i want to be closer to actually see what's happening yeah you want to have your face pressed up especially it's kind of hard to follow on those hockey rinks right i get it okay i think our guest is here chris have you ever have you ever have you ever been to a hockey no he's not he's not that's real i love your question have you ever been to a hockey that's what they call it right have you though yeah oh mighty ducks of course mighty ducks kings suck my dick My brother's a big Red Wings fan. You know what city they're from? Detroit. Oh, nice, Chris. I know a lot about sports, even though hockey is truly the bottom of the barrel. No offense to our Canadian listeners, but no one's watching that unless they're in Canada. I'll bleep that out. I mean, there's not much else to do in Detroit. Yeah, the thing I don't like, the thing I famously don't like about hockey, it feels like the Stanley Cup playoffs happen year-round. Whenever I turn on the TV. They're just always on. Maybe that's the only time that television decides to televise hockey. Yeah, I mean, people get really into the Rangers here. You know, like Tiafoe's girl was wearing a Rangers fitted flat brim in the box last night. And I was like, this is just not, there's nothing cool about that. Sorry, it's not like a Yankees hat. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't understand. Rangers fitted. Yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't even like a... Not even Jadakiss would do that. It might have been a new era. I couldn't see the side, you know what I mean? But if it wasn't a new era, you got a Mitchell and Ness? That's crazy. Okay, well, let's intro our guest, Chris. Okay, we can intro our guest. Today on How Long Gone, friend of the show, Harrison, a.k.a. The Dare, is joining us. His record comes out on the 6th, I think. Just had a big New York Times profile. He's riding high. He produced Guest on the Charlie XX album, and then the remix came out with a friend of the show, Billie Eilish, which I can't wait to talk to him about if he borrowed any of her clothes or anything. They're not the same size. I love that...

Harrison's fully committed to his look I think that's a really admirable thing to do as an artist and I I want to get into it because it's it's not you know it's not always easy but I appreciate the dedication for a 28 year old no I think him and I will have a lot in common Chris and we'll learn that over the next hour so let's give Harry a call This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone. It was brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs.

handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app. using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. We're here with Harrison. You're in an undisclosed location because you're doing a teenager-style Twitch live stream all day? Yes. Hello, fellow teens. 48 hours. So what's happening during this live? So your album comes out, so this is obviously a promotional tool, but was this a last-minute decision, or is this something you've been planning for a while? I was planning this. I wanted to do a factory-style thing, and my original idea was to do it for a month straight and not stream it, maybe, but just use a bunch of the label's money to... open a space that could like become like a performance space or something for at least a month and then they were like no way so so they whittled me down to two days weirdly they cut me by 28 days and here we are so so when you say factory you mean like in the style of andy warhol kind of thing yeah okay So you wanted to just have a homeless guy walking around, people doing heroin in the corner, a sick projector, things like that. Really good projector. Yeah, we're making movies every day. I got the best projector. Endangered animals walking around. There's a bat in there. So are you going to stay up for 48 hours? Is that the idea? No, but I think I'm going to sleep on camera. Okay, wow. Okay, we're going freak mode. All right, this is triggering to me. Jason will know why.

i used to manage a band and we did a reality show and they were live streamed for a whole month basically on an mtv website and you could see them sleep and shit and it kind of scarred them so i want to prepare you for this that this could negatively affect your mental health right before the album comes out i just i don't want to get your head exactly how exactly did it scar them they're like i can't jack off is it like kinda yeah there was that there was having to hide there's there's having to hide to do drugs whereas in harrison's case i think they people are just gonna do drugs on camera it's a different demographic yeah wait what band was this what band was this they were called cartel oh i know i know cartel the show is called band in the bubble and it was but it was like this is it's literally exactly what you're describing it's exactly what you're describing honestly my cartel is the best song ever okay the dare remix coming soon i can't wait to hear that one it'll be my pleasure Cause I'm being honest when I tell you that you, you're part of the reason I'm. Yeah, it's exactly like what you're doing, but it happened in a time where record labels had money. So they were able to do the whole month. No, they didn't have money because it was Dr. Pepper, Walmart, and KFC paid for it. So that's why the label didn't kick in much. Maybe nothing at all. Harrison, all that is to say, who is sponsoring this? Or are there any sponsors? Is it Prime Energy Drink? I wish. Actually, it's Adidas. and uh mark jacobs heaven okay all right damn come through that's really hitting your demo all right so you got the sambas with the suit on today well actually they're superstars okay yeah classic black suit so this is giving you money what is mark jacobs giving you they are in doing some creative gorilla creative gorilla marketing oh we love gorilla marketing okay you know you'll you'll see you'll see it'll be a surprise no it's actually very low-key

But everybody's giving me money, basically. Great. Good. That was just a joke. That's kind of how this stuff has to work. Mark the listener. So how many people are – what size team does it take to get something like this off the ground? I don't know. There's layers to it. So the team is really just me and my manager. We've been doing everything ourselves, basically. I make the flyers. We pick how we're decorating the loft and we're doing this mannequin thing. But then there's people from the label who are helping us do other tasks. I bet those people from Republic Records aren't happy to be working on Labor Day. I'll tell you that. I know. I'm loving that. No, but in Dareville, there's no separation between the weeks and the weekends. My man, it's the same way in How Long Goneville. Yeah. Every day is Tuesday in Dareville. I like that. Yeah, it's cool. Well, I mean, but you, what's your sleeping schedule look like normally? Because I know, you know, when you're in Ibiza, you're not getting much sleep, but maybe in New York, you're getting eight hours. I'm doing pretty good. I think I get, like, I go to sleep late, but then I always get eight hours of sleep at least. But maybe I'll sleep at 4 to noon or something or whatever. But it just depends on what's going on. Yeah, sure. That's what we call a rock star schedule. We have stuff to do. We have to get up at 8. We don't really have that kind of luxury. I work in nightlife, you know? You know how many times Jason said that to his ex-girlfriends? That's crazy. Sorry, babe. I work in nightlife. You don't fucking get it. You would never understand. Okay, so who is remixing this album that's coming out is kind of what I want to know. Because I listen to the songs that are currently available for public consumption. And my A&R ear is like, okay, this song. is inspired by this song and it should be remixed by this person who are you yeah who are you thinking i'll tell reed later you know i don't want to get into it on the pod we'll talk budgets later but this is it's a problem that i have to do as some or a problem that i have as like a dj or retired dj or whatever but like you just i hear a song like oh

this should be remixed by this blah blah blah like that's the perfect thing and it never works out that way i mean i haven't started reaching out to people yet but i made like a list of dream remixes for the whole album for the listeners at home he just showed us the list in his notes app it's crazy but i'm only gonna reveal just a few that's fine yeah we need a how long gone exclusive i mean i don't know i have no idea if these people will do it or be interested at all but it's like errol alkin Marie Davidson, Alan Brax, who I know, Johnny Jewell, who I just did an interview with for Paper Magazine, Richard X, who I'm a huge fan of, and Armin Van Helden, actually. I feel like an Armin Van Helden or Fatboy Slim remix would be insane. Yeah, those are all good. I feel like Brax will definitely do it. Yeah. I think Errol Alkin is a spot-on good idea as well. Yeah, one time I got blackout drunk with Alan Brax, and we went to a Del Taco drive-thru, and I gave him Del Taco Mexican food for the first time, and his eyes lit up. This is like yesterday? This food is so good. This is like 2010. This food is so good. It was in Newport Beach, California, and he's like, what is this? Yeah, when I hung out with him, we were in a studio alone in the Brooklyn Navy Yard. And I was just showing him the demos of what became this album. And we would sit there and listen to a whole song. And then I would just be like, yeah, so what do you think about it? And he would just go, good. He did this ten times in a row. I'd just be like, yeah, what do you think about this one? And he'd be like, it's cool. And then he was like, you want to hear my favorite song? And he just puts on Love Will Tears Apart. What the hell? That's cool as fuck. Yeah, I was like, damn. There's nothing better than having to play your music for someone and them having to respond in front of you. It's one of the worst things that exists in this world. I think it's horrible for both.

parties that's what i'm saying that's that when this happened to me once with steve lacy and it was really tough it was really really tough because i was in a car with him and he was playing me the music in the car and i was like this ain't really for me chief you know but i have to i i don't want to i don't want to drop me off at the fucking chevron in malibu i gotta stay you know i gotta stay i gotta keep it no but chris what do you think about the music oh i liked I actually liked him quite a lot. The music, I'm very proud of myself because I famously picked out the hit before it was a hit. I was like, oh, this is the single. And he was like, yes, it is. And I'm like, speaking of A&R. Bad Habit, remember? Yeah, Bad Habit, exactly. Which Jason discovered, this is a big thing. When Jason discovered the sped up version, the TikTok version of Bad Habit was being played on the radio in LA. And you couldn't find it anywhere else. It wasn't on streaming either. I think eventually it was. It wasn't on streaming. But didn't they add drums to it? Yeah, they made it like, it was not a remix. It wasn't like a DJ Mustard remix or whatever, but they just sort of quietly added like 808s and like kind of trap style drums underneath it. But in like a tasteful, subtle way where like we have a hit on like mainstream radio and we have to like zhuzh it up. And then also now on radio, they'll add like backing tracks of like people cheering. and having a good time because everyone's so fucking retarded um yeah just like because like sometimes the song goes down a little bit and then we start losing listenership so we have to have the crowd cheering during that part but um do you feel label pressure or pressure from yourself to do sped up versions of your songs for tiktok or are people doing that for you already no label pressure and nobody is speeding it up I think that era might be over. You're like, this is bullshit. No one's speeding my shit up. Either it's over, or they forgot about me, or they just don't give a fuck. But, like, I feel like I don't...

I feel like maybe I've heard, maybe it's like there's some upper echelon where you break through into the sped-up realms. I feel like you're swimming in the sped-up realms. Sped-up waters. I feel like there's probably a thousand remixes of your songs made by some dude that are on YouTube right now at 17 plays, right? Yeah, that's probably true. He doesn't check. You don't read the comments, bro. You're smart. I've had to stop. Okay, so you were reading the comments, and now you know you can't read the comments. You've learned that. before the album comes out is a great time to learn that definitely yeah i mean i feel like last summer when i put out the ep i had the same experience and then i slowly eased back into like using the internet in a normal way and then like i got stung pretty bad like two weeks ago maybe and i'm back off it stung okay what level with us as people who've gotten stung before what was that where was the sting where did it happen how big of a sting was it wasp or bumblebee Show daddy where it hurts. I don't know. It's just, like, some shit where it's, like, fuck the dare on Twitter, and it has, like, 15,000 likes. And I'm just, like... I'm just, like, holy fuck. That's really funny. So just a good old-fashioned ouch moment. Just, like, nailed me. Classic. But, like, no, I don't know. I mean, it's not just bad things, too, but it's just the whole engaging with a ton of people is so fucking... crazy like even in a good way you know like there's just like people who are saying nice things all the time or like i'm looking at them right now just like super forward things like or people like want want stuff from you or they want to give you something like it's just like it's just too much yeah it's just like for it to make anybody happy so you have to just i think there's a i think there's a pretty real kind of movement of young people or younger people in your position that just don't even like i got somebody who does this for me I might send in the stuff for them to post, but I don't look at this. I don't have it on my phone. It's pretty interesting. I've moved to a soft version of that, but I feel like I'm still on Instagram for fun. I have a lot of fun on Instagram. Yeah, me too. Well, I mean, I think the other thing with...

Maybe not so much now, but that's also a way for people to get in touch with you. You know what I mean? That's a way for people like, I don't have your number. I don't know your manager or whatever. I can just get in touch with you directly, and we can make something happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful networking tool, and you can share pics with your friends too. I mean, how else would you have been in the lab with Charlie? If I didn't respond to a DM, bro, I mean, your life would have really been shitty if you didn't do that. Yeah, you'd be upset. I'd probably be at home just sobbing right now. I was just reading something where Charlie said that she considers you to be a bit of an encyclopedia of music. Did you like her saying that? Because then it made you feel pressured to start researching obscure Canadian jazz from the 40s? Yeah, before I was doing a big ruse and I would just cleverly name drop one band every once in a while. Well, you know, everyone... Like, there's people who know a lot about music, but they would never want, or they would never exclaim publicly, I'm an encyclopedia of music because, you know, someone's going to try to test your freak. And if somebody like that says, like, oh, this guy is a fucking encyclopedia of music, he knows everything. And everyone's going to be like, oh, really? Oh, yeah. Let's see. I don't know. I know nothing about, like, jazz. Well, I know a little bit about jazz. I know a little bit. There are huge gaping holes in my knowledge of popular music history in the 20th century. Also, pop and rock music doesn't go back that far. There's not that much. There's a shitload of music, but it only goes back. Rock music has only been around for 74 years-ish. Maybe a little less. Spent 74 years? I don't know. Within the rock pop sphere, I feel like I probably know more than 99% of people. Well, I think that, yeah, I'm sure you do. I mean, but that's not something you consciously did. You were just devouring it as a young person. No, I still do it all the time. I just spend hours on Wikipedia just reading about random stuff. But, like, I don't know. It's just really fun. It's relaxing.

So do you read, you read the Wikipedia and then go listen or you listen and then go read the Wikipedia? Sometimes I do it at the same time. Whoa. Okay. All right, chief. All right. All right. It's like when you put on a vinyl record and then you hit the J and you sit on your beanbag chair and then you read the liner notes on the back of your sleeve. Okay. Thank you for putting it in boomer terms. Well, it's like that is what people would do. I mean, at least I think, you know, but like now, now the listening experience is super divorced from this, like, one-on-one experience where you're like you're reading it you're listening you're looking at pictures of the stuff like now you're just if you just stream a song on your phone like it's like basically not even there you know it's not tangible it's like you're hearing it but like everything else about the music is sort of divorced from it uh so i'm just like cobbling together like the the 2024 version of that maybe by like looking at pictures on the internet and like reading the lyrics, and then I'm like, oh, and they were in this band, too. No, I use Wikipedia like that, too. I use YouTube a lot for that, but I don't, I mean, I don't think I was ever a smoke a J and put on the 12-inch Jason, but I was a, like... when you come home from the record store and you got 10 new hardcore seven inches, you definitely read all of the, like you want to, you want to know the thank you. I mean, my favorite part of several books is the thank you and acknowledgements. I feel like it's really telling in a lot of ways. Yeah. No, I just, the Richard X liner notes for his album, uh, X Factor, it was just awesome. And I just am like, he's just listing first names though only yes and then so he's but then he's listing like he's like florian and ralph and i'm like okay he's thanking craft work and then he's just like yeah yeah it's just it's cool though like there's a sense of play in it i i tried to do i don't know if i even got super deep into that stuff with my own liner notes because i was designing them in like a hotel room in paris and like

was just didn't want to do it i was like wasn't having that much fun doing it but i think it looks sexy but there's not a lot of fun little like easter egg jokes in there yeah yeah yeah so you designed the packaging yourself yeah bro you can farm this shit out there's there you know plenty of graphic designers man you wouldn't get it chris i know but i'm saving money i've got my vision uh yeah but i think at some point i gotta i gotta collaborate This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do all our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable.

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And then every image they send back just, like, pisses me off because they moved him in the wrong places. Sure. And then when that happens, you're like, in this time that it took to tell him what to do, get it back, send the notes, do a second revision, you could have done it yourself in ten minutes and been on with your life, and that's why you just do everything yourself. Yeah. It's fun, though. Are you a Virgo, bro? I'm a Pisces. Okay, I don't know what that means. Jason and I are both Virgos, but I'm sure plenty of women have told you what a Pisces is. Yeah. Yeah, how is the dating life going? Do you have time for a relationship, or we don't want to talk about that? Well, I don't know. I don't know, really. I mean, at least not for the rest of this year. But I did go on a really nice date yesterday to the Met. Oh, a Met. This is very mature. I went to Grand Central, Central Park. Oh, New York City, baby. I love it. Classic. Went to Corner Bistro in West Village. Oh, this is nice. Okay, question, though, because yesterday I was here in New York. It was very humid. Did the jacket stay on, or did you do a T-shirt, no jacket? I just did a T-shirt. Just rocking a T-shirt. Okay, you're just rocking a T-shirt. And uptown, you're not going to get right. That's not really your market, so you're good up there. You can be a little bit out of character uptown. I did get a scary DM after that said, I saw you at the Met. That's why. Okay, so this was a day date, but you feel like it went well. Could there be a round two? Yeah, definitely. Okay, did you meet this person in real life, or is this a setup, or what's the vibe? Yeah, this is a real-life person. I like this. This is good. This is good. This is good to hear a young person operating this way. Real life, you know, I mean, I don't know. It's, it's all, it's all mixed together. It's very, I feel like my life is very cyborg, you know, like you meet people on Instagram or in real life, you talk to them on both, like both are your real life and like your relationship happens on both in both ways. But yeah, this is mostly.

you know an outside in new york type uh situation just old-fashioned she was walking by you cat called her got the got them the dgs and made it happen he said hey hey hey let me holler at you when she walked by when she what's your ass she walked by service and he said hey let me holler at you and then it was off to the races pretty much yeah i was like come have a come have a drink with me come have a drink with me okay the question the final question Did you put down the Dare LLC MX or did we go Dutch? Of course I paid for it. Hell yeah. I just wanted to put that out there because there's a lot of ladies listening to this. I want you to tee it up. Let them know that you're a realist. I will pay for your meal. Okay. I will pay for your meal. I promise. I promise. Does Harry believe – are you a cashless king? Or do we always keep some 20s on us? You know what? I got a couple bills on me right now. But my wallet is small. It's more of like a card holder almost. So it's not like, you know. We don't expect you to have a big George Costanza fat wallet with coupons. What brand is the card holder? Oh, Margiela. Okay. I know. Okay. I feel like I talked to you and Rostam went and tore up the Margiela store together recently, didn't you? That's what I was buying. Okay, so you were getting the card holder and Rostam got some sunglasses. Did you get anything else? I also got some Gats. Oh, you got some Gats. What color? The white ones, the classic. Okay, those are a classic. I really like the navy, actually, but I haven't been able to. Those are cool. I have a weird thing with designer sneakers where I'm kind of like, I'm against them in principle, but those are different because I guess with the Gats, I could just go buy the real army ones for $40, but I know they're shitty. Yeah. They're not going to fail this good. So you were in Beverly Hills with Rostam going shopping. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So did he pay for lunch? I don't even remember what we ate. We got like a bunch of coffee maybe. And then we were, well, this was the day of Charlie's birthday. So we were like prepared. He was wearing the sunglasses at the party. And I was like, yeah, I'm wearing these. He's like, I just got them. Yeah. Yeah. Um, we were just hanging out. He wanted my help. Um, like.

preparing for the after party so we like went grocery shopping and we just kind of were driving around this is fun yeah this is fun i know he sent me a sunrise selfie of the two of you yeah i was like i'm glad that i went home that was like 9 a.m eight or nine i'm really sad that i missed that fucking party it was a good one it was fun but you but you've been on the whole you've been doing the whole thing i mean because you've done the boiler rooms and all that shit yeah it seems like a lot it's quite a bit yeah It's quite a bit, but, like, I don't know, it feels good. It's just constantly be moving feels really good. I think it's like, you know, humans are, like, nomadic. I agree with you that humans are nomadic, and I can just handle it, but do you just power through the jet lag? I think it's just, you know, when you do it enough, it starts to feel good in a crazy way. It's like Stockholm Syndrome. I agree. Or something. Yeah, we've actually talked about that a lot when we're... traveling all over the place going back and forth through europe all over you know shitty hotels airports no sleep blah blah blah and then you're like i can't wait to just go home and just chill you know drink some water get some sleep have some kale and tofu and everything and then three days later you're like oh i'm bored out of my mind i'm depressed yeah yeah there's a really great like steve albini tour diary that's like impossible to find now but it was when he was touring with big black opening for sonic youth Europe and it's just the most fucked up insane daily tour diary ever and he's just like being completely psycho but then the final entry is when he's back home in Chicago and he's just like I'm so depressed like this this looked like a nightmare but now it's worse than I'm home yeah yeah it was like it like so fucked up in the diary like he's like talking about like fucking prostitutes in Amsterdam and like she's like she's like she put her hand over her pussy and like it's like another 50 bucks just to see it but i only i didn't want to pay that so i just fucking fucked her and then left and i don't know it's just like damn it's really crazy but then he's also like he's talking about like watching sonic youth perform and he's like they're the worst band in the world or ever and then he's like talking about the gun club

And he's like the gun club or the worst band in the world. It's just so funny. That's cool. Yeah. It's a crazy take. I've never heard anybody say that. RIP to one of the best haters of all time. One of the best haters of all time. Once when I was like really young in my early 20s, I went to L.A. for the like rented a house for the first time in Silver Lake. And when I got there and this was like Craigslist, this was like before Airbnb. And when I got there. the house was like had all these guitars it was this whole thing and then the guy was like oh i go to thailand a couple times a year because you know it's fun there for guys like me and i found out he was in the gun club oh my god and i was like i was like what the fuck and he's like yeah i go to thailand a couple times a year and just kind of like winked at me was the vibe and i i just never that's the only thing i think about when somebody brings up the gun club that's awesome yeah i've never heard anyone say guys like me In terms of like human trafficking, you know? Yeah, yeah. He was referencing his human trafficking La Familia is what he was doing. You mentioned feeling cyborg-y and that reminded me. I was reading an article that our friend Nomi Fry wrote recently about Bianca Sensori, Kanye's wife. And she sort of described her look as kind of like what the future would look like. from the perspective from the 80s kind of like um and described her her look to like the cyber truck where you know like that's just like a version of what a kid who grew up in the 80s would want like a futuristic cool car to look like yeah all that is to say what kind of car would you describe yourself to be a little shagger like yourself as a car is the automobile equivalent of you great question I feel like maybe just, like, some sort of, like, black convertible Mercedes Benz. Great. Can't really. That's kind of unflappable, I mean. Yeah, I don't know. Or, like, I don't know. Growing up, I had really weird taste in cars. Like, I was never a car guy, but I always really liked, like, cube cars. Like, I always fucked with, like, the Nissan Cube. And, like. The song on XB? Yeah. That weirdly makes sense to me. I can, like, totally see it. They also just had great commercials, like, with the rats who were, like. Yeah, yeah.

rocking out in the cube car i was always as a child i was very into that um so maybe we'll bring back one of those i also really like pt cruisers for some reason as a kid yeah you are your verse the least qb car around i think they were like the pt cruiser was like the freakiest looking car that i like was aware of well it was like a new shape in the same way the cybertruck is like a new shape it was like a completely new looking the same way the cube it's like completely new looking car yeah you know what's funny about the 80s and all that it's like it doesn't feel like we're in a uh particularly like visually inventive time for like thinking about the future and it feels like the 80s was just stuffed with like these sci-fi body horror cronenberg robocop like depictions of the future the near future that are like wildly inventive and like super visually exciting and like that the images from that era like still persist today in pop culture or like emulated or like you know now they've come into reality because the cyber truck exists but like like i don't know it's just it's just it's interesting i don't think there's like Maybe there's just way less optimism about the future, but I also don't feel like the 80s were a super optimistic time. I think the 80s were more optimistic than now, but I think that the optimism is a big reason for why nothing is that forward-looking. I think people don't want to think about that. Every movie about the future is like, we're on an AI cruise ship. with the wealthiest individuals on the planet, and it explodes. That's literally the premise of it. Yeah, that's true. It's not super creative, I will say. I'm forgetting something. I just saw The Beast, which I loved. Did you see that? I don't know The Beast. It's with Lea Seydoux. Dasha's in it. I'll see anything that Lea Seydoux's in. Ain't that the damn truth, brother man. Virtual high five.

But I think in the 80s, people were optimistic about the future. We had not hit the year 2000. That's when we all thought the future was going to come. Economy was pumping. Coke was pumping. Pre-Aids, mid-Coke, everything is great. Wealth excess, American Psycho shit. And I think it was a realistic depiction of what we really thought was going to happen. And now, you know, the AI planet explosion on the super yacht and everyone's dead. is also what we think is the realistic future of America. You know, it's like we're not doing fantasy of like, wouldn't it be cool if there was a flying car? Now it's just like, oh, like we're going to have a civil war and then a drone is going to shoot a nuclear missile and blow the planet up. And they're like, that's the most likely outcome for our Earth. Which is a bummer. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's, like, one of those, like, you know, bad times created good times type cycles where it's, like, the 70s and the end of the 70s is, like, bad. Like, as far as, like, my little understanding of American history goes. But, like, the crash out from the 60s persisted through the 70s. And then, you know, by the time the 80s kind of rolls around, people are starting to feel pretty good again. And, like, the death of the, like, free love movement is... 20 years in the past or like you know so i feel like maybe in a couple years if things don't get worse then maybe we'll have some good sci-fi movies yeah okay so you're just you're in this for the sci-fi movies yeah you don't really care about what happens to our society but you want there to be good sci-fi movies i want there to be good movies in general but yes are you are you a real film buff i am kind of yeah I'll watch anything. How do you have time for all this? You seem like you're consuming a lot of stuff. Movies are super easy to consume anywhere, and I don't really watch TV, so I feel like I save a lot of time by not doing that. Although I've been watching Emily in Paris recently. My man. You love it, right? While I work. Yeah. Hold on. So you tell me you're in the lab, and you got Emily in Paris on the plasma above the board? I'm kind of like cosplaying.

what i think other people my age do to like get into that mindset or just to try to understand it well like now in a weird way like i'm like a work from home person and i'm like i feel like all the other 20 year olds are like watching emily in paris and like fucking putting it on in the background while they like cook or while they like i mean they definitely are so i'm like maybe i should try that because you can't do it with writing music obviously really but like there's a bunch of other tasks that i do on a daily basis and so like I have to like respond to emails or whatever. My manager is telling me to do something. I'll just kind of watch Emily and Paris. You'll put it on. Yeah. Or while I'm like making a flyer or something. So, I mean, that's what people use TV for now is kind of like background. It's supposed to be just like background noise while you're doing something else. It's unless it's like one of the five shows that is anointed as important. That's kind of the service that Netflix. I mean, I was talking about this. I invited a friend over to watch Emily in Paris with me one night this week and just talking about how like it's the same creator as like Sex and the City, but there's a real dissonance between the two shows because like Sex and the City was, as far as I know, like actually influential on women's fashion and sort of like very much, you know, cutting cutting edge and sexy and like. when you watch it back now, you're like, oh my god, they shot this, like, on film, or at least it looks like film. Like, it looks really fucking good. You know, the first two seasons, the first two seasons, like, really sexy, and it's, like, edgy, and it's, I don't know, it feels like a good piece of art. And, like, from all these different angles. And, like, when you watch Emily in Paris, you're like, this is bad, this is bad, you know, like, the clothing is horrible, it's shot in this hyper-real 4K style. the people the actors like look like there's like a toy like quality to everything like the way they're styled the clothing is so colorful music couldn't be worse the music could not be worse the the plots and the sort of themes of the show are like not meaningful or edgy or like interesting like the first episode of sex in the city there's like a guy like filming all the women he has sex with and they like

And then, like, but Samantha is into it, and she's like, why isn't he filming me? Yes. And it's just, like, it's, like, basically, like, Sex, Lies, and videotape the movie compressed into, like, an episode. But also, it's more problematic in Sex and the Three. But, like, basically, like, Emily and Paris, like, I think a lot of the faults, I think, are unintentional, you know, or just, it's just bad art. But it also creates, like, a distance from the viewer in this way that makes it... perfect as background art where it's just like you are alienated from the plot and you're alienated from the clothes and the music and it just it's so light and like uh like not there's nothing to like latch on to so it just feels great to play in the background for like four hours yeah people have described it as a show where the only thing that you need to know to enjoy it is that emily is in Paris. You don't need to learn anyone's names, their relationships. You don't need anything. Emily's in Paris and she's having a good time. But I think what you just described is also kind of like... that this is a show for now and sex in the city was a show for then yeah and that it's it's kind of it's just descriptive of the time periods to me like that is just now now sucks and then was good yeah that's right i mean that's honestly true yeah exactly then being the 2000s but also the 80s yeah yeah yeah it's true i mean i don't know if it is i've our friend kyle wrote a new yorker story yesterday about or a couple days ago about emily in paris and the whole thing is like the plot has gotten so insane that you can't even follow it it's like it's too oh really well just not i'm not that deep yet i'm excited for that well this season the new season is just kind of like it's just there's so much going on and you don't care about any of it you know what i'm saying yeah it's all like the same level of stakes kind of and there's no there's no hills and uh peaks and valleys i guess right um

But that won't stop me from watching it. New episodes, September 5th, only on Netflix. How does that even... I don't even know how this shit works when they have different writers for every episode. How do you even keep track of what's important? Darren Star is steering the ship. He sees everything. There's ten people in a room in Burbank eating gummy worms all day and ordering fucking subs. And then Darren Star comes in and kind of... punches it up and then they make the episodes it's kind of that that's what i yeah yeah that sounds good that sounds like a nice day i mean being a tv writer except that every show gets canceled and you hate each other does seem like a good job yeah they're like they're just they're like great i hope this one's over soon exactly i hope this we can wrap this up soon because i'm gonna get fired either way i hope they refill the gummy worm bowl they could be doing it faster um In your New York Times piece, I think you were quoted saying that you don't like music that could be played in the background of a coffee shop while you work. And it was making me wonder, what do you listen to while you work? Is it either silence or something else? But now I've learned that it is Emily in Paris. Emily in Paris. With one eye on it. As of this week, it's a new thing for me. Well, maybe two weeks ago. Yeah, that's the problem with music. You can't listen to music while you make music. Sometimes I have to sit there and figure out if I'm going to listen to music or make music. Interesting. You're like, inside me there are two beasts. As a creative director of the Dare brand, you're not only making music, so when you're doing graphic design at a coffee shop, what are you listening to then? Are you listening to not background music? Yeah. Do you listen to yourself? I feel like, I don't know, it depends. I listen to music. uh for different reasons like there's the dj part of me that's like always like uh looking for interesting songs to play during a dj set and i'm thinking very practically about it and then there's the part of me where it's like you know who like what's going on right now by other artists in my like greater sphere you know like i'm gonna listen to the new like steve lacy album or the new like uh like my friend malice cage put out an album like i want to know what they're all up to

And then there's the part of me that's like going back through history just for pleasure or listening to like shit that I've like overlooked or think like think is cool. Or just sometimes I'm like, I would say the most part I'm just revisiting music that I really like that's close to me or near and dear for different reasons. So it varies. I can list a bunch of things if you want. That would be great. That would be wonderful. He's like, yeah, here, I can send you my Spotify playlist if you'd like. It's very different when music is your job than you have to be, you have to compartmentalize your brain of like, here's DJ songs. I'm sure you have a notes app file for it when you hear something new. Yeah. And then here's what I want to have my next album sound like. And then when do you just listen to music that you like, you know? It is and it isn't because it's like at the end of the day, like I'm from all of these things, I'm still just looking for like a certain feeling. from it all, you know, like, and I get the same feeling from listening to, like, a Stooges album that I do, like, a Green Velvet song that I can actually DJ, or from, like, my friend Malice K's album, like, I am obsessed with it, and I listen to it just for pleasure on, like, a daily basis, and it all bleeds together, but... What's the audio setup? Stooges and Green Velvet really kind of sums up the vibe. Well, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Chris. Yeah, that's like me. I don't know. But audio setup? Yeah, are you like a dork about it, or are you just listening on headphones like a normal person? I'm rocking these. I have a pair of AirPod Maxes, but I left them in London. My friend has them, so I usually rock those. And then I'll do the wired earbuds. I got speakers in my house, but they're like monitors for mixing. They're not like nice listening speakers. And then I listen to music out of my phone, like, just walking around all the time, too. Like, I'll just play it out of the speaker and, like, hold it up to my ear. But that's usually if I don't have earbuds on me. Sure, if you forget the buds, you're willing to just go this style, like this. I will fucking, I will do it, like, all the time. I'll do it on the train. I'll be the crazy guy on the train. I actually tricked this out. I just bought this. We can't hear it. Oh, my God, you can't hear it. We didn't hear it.

That's so weird. It can't hear anything. No way. Okay, so for our listeners at home, I think that Zoom's noise-canceling technology has blocked off the sound of what I believe you are doing is playing a harmonica? Yeah. So you were playing harmonica on the train yesterday, like an old-timey hobo? Yeah. They already gave Timothy Chamele the role, bro. They're not going to give it to you. Stop. I'm doing guerrilla marketing for Timothy. Accidentally. Yeah, no, I just bought this. I'm writing one song where I want to put harmonica on it. That's a great idea. I think I got the box. it like arrived as i was leaving you know but it had my name on it and in like my building and i was like oh what is this must be the harmonica so i just put it in my pocket and then i was on the train and i like was just trying not to blow into it because i really wanted to blow into it and then i was just like fuck it man I'm going to play the harmonica on the train. I'm just like a Showtime guy. You're 100% a Showtime guy. I didn't play it for a long time, but people definitely were watching. Yeah, I mean, you buy a harmonica. It's a ticking time bomb until you put your lips on that thing, right? Yeah. Well, the thing is, it's a slippery slope because harmonicas are key-based. So this is in the key of G. And if I want to play harmonica on any songs that are not in G, I need to buy it. another harmonica so i need to buy like you're gonna have you're gonna have the vest of harmonicas like blues traveler blues traveler i can't wait to pull up to home sweet home for a the dare dj set and you've got the thing around your neck with the harmonica the whole time you're dj yeah the first dj set with the harmonica thing on the neck It's going to be good. People are going to really go crazy for that. You're really introducing something new. You're changing the game. You're changing the game. It's a real, you know, it'd be a real pivot. Are you going to stay in New York or do you think you need to move to London? I think I'm going to stay in New York for a while. I kind of want to, I don't know. I mean, I'm just excited when people make music and they have like a cool story attached to it. Like Exile on Main Street would not be cool if they didn't.

The Rolling Stones didn't record it in, like, a fucking villa in the south of France, like, with a bunch of women and, like, doing drugs constantly, like... Couldn't agree more with you. You're really speaking my language, King. Really speaking my language. It just makes the fucking music cooler. And I feel like it would be really fun to record, since this first album is so New York-y, like it would be really fun to do the second one somewhere else. I don't know where that would be, but it's not going to be L.A., I'll tell you that much. Okay, sorry. I mean, earlier when you were first talking about doing the live stream in the sort of I'm being watched at all times, it was reminding me of the Standard Hotel, West Hollywood. where they have the fish tank where people will sit inside of it in the lobby, and I feel like that could be a good creative direction for you moving forward. But you think that L.A., bad city for music? What's going on? No, no, no, no. I like L.A., but also I was just there a bunch during the making of this album. I was sort of just being a traitor. Okay. Yeah, when Rick Rubin calls, you've got to go down there and open your third eye. You know what I mean? I get it. I get it. Yeah, that's like... He's like the Darren Star of music. No, I'm just kidding. Darren Star is fucking fire. You mean used to be good and now bad? No, no, no. I'm saying he might walk in the room with the gummy worms. Yeah, for sure. 100%. But he's overseeing it. But that's his whole thing. He is the overseer. the funky monks uh documentary is fucking amazing with him in it have you seen that no no no it's them making blood sugar sex magic but it's like i have it's been a long time since i've seen that but yeah that's a that's a classic that's the last good chili peppers full length i would say sorry guys the red hot chili peppers is something i'm never gonna get on board with i'm sorry it's like queen it's just corny i can't help i think that the red hot chili i think that the peppers are I'm not even going to say my full thoughts on them, but they're the most LA band ever in a way. They're like Venice Beach incarnate. I think that's kind of cool. They also just have moron swag. That just is very awesome. They do have moron swag.

I think it's cool that Anthony Kiedis is doing a DiCaprio style. I'm 65 years old dating a 20-year-old. I think it's all cool. The music is just... I just hate funky shit. Really? Is what I realized. That is not what I like. I don't like funky. I don't like scatting, weird bass lines. I don't need any of that shit. I need straight ahead music. Cool with the grooming, but I don't like funk. Yeah, grooming is fine. I don't need funk, though. That's two different things. Funk is a really big... dangerous territory you know things can go wrong super fast that's what i mean it gets corny it gets corny so fast i just feel like it's a real tightrope it's it's like truffle oil just a little what do you think about like sly and the family stone that's different because that's like that feels authentic to me that's like the realist version of that you know what i mean whereas the chili peppers are like Guys on heroin playing basketball at the beach that are ripping that off. You know what I mean? It's not the same. I think that's kind of cool. Well, I think, yeah, what you just said. That sounds fucking awesome. I know you meant it to be derogatory, but it sounds pretty cool. Dunk after dunk. They're ripping it off, but they're also amazing instrumentalists. Yeah, but this is my, yeah. No, of course. Prashante is a guitar god. Flea is a bass god. But that's my problem. Will Ferrell is a drum god. I think they're too good. I think they're too good at their instruments and therefore the songs have too much going on is what I think they're interesting because they're aesthetically like not there's no like aesthetic core to them like they don't have like one vibe or like I don't know like it's hard to explain but LA just being LA being Venice Beach basketball you're right though they don't have a vibe and that's why they've been able to survive weird usually you need a vibe but they worked it worked yeah but it's because they're good at music they're actually good at playing their instruments so like whenever people talk about them they're like yeah john frusciante is is the best guitarist in the world and then they're like and then chad smith is the best drummer in the world i've watched he's a modern day ring i've watched a lot of cover videos you know or people go you know they go chad smith looks like will ferrell and then they go

flea is the best facest in the world now chad smith is fucking lit though there are some great yeah there's some great he looks like he works at a fucking skate shop in huntington beach but yes he can really slap the skins i i agree he might own the skate shop he's known for for for like rolling stones ringo style like he's not gonna go super crazy he's not trying to be about him but he keeps that time and that swing going just so well you know Let's flee and do the talking. You play drums, right? I do, yeah. Okay, we've got to get you. Reid, if you're listening, I need Harrison to do a Drumeo. Have you seen the Drumeo cover videos on YouTube? Oh, is it like you can get it of my music or something? No, no, no. It's like the drummer from Sepultura has never heard The Killers before. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And they play them. We need you. We need them to play something you've never heard before, and then you have to play drums live. Hold on. I'm getting a time request. How much time have we got left? Only a few minutes. Oh, just a few minutes. Wait, you're saying do a Drumeo of what song? No, that's the idea. It's a surprise, but since you're such a music guy, it's going to be tough to find something you haven't heard. It's not going to be a Fisher Spooner song, Harry. It's going to be something off the beaten path. Man, I don't know very much about Prague. It's also hard to play on drums. Yeah, it's really hard. they have to give me i'm not that good they got to give me something like i'm like a punk drummer you know they have to give me something like straightforward yeah i was gonna ask did you did you is that was your effects because as you knew cartel what was your what was your early was it like that kind of shit i don't know i just remember seeing that music video on like vh1 or something growing up yeah yeah i think it was on rotation and like yellow card and stuff like i have early memories of seeing that but i feel like i was really i was more into like uh Things that were a little more, like, stylized. Like, I was more into scene shit. Because I came up into the, like, MySpace. Yeah, yeah. Hot Topic kind of scene era. But then I just, as soon as I, like, kind of discovered, like, music forums and the internet. And, like, I just got really into, like, what are considered, like, the classics now, you know. I don't know. Like, I started listening to, like, Arcade Fire and, like, you know, like, Death Grips and stuff. Yeah, Death Grips.

I was probably 15 or 16. Maybe a little bit older. Yeah, Death Grips are... I think they're so magical. Death Grips are classic. They're fucking cool. They're super cool. They came from Sacramento. That's true. They really got it out the mud. They really were a cultural phenomenon too. They were doing all these weird creepy internet games where you had to find their... qr code on a bus stop and then you know like i don't know they just are so real and and crazy like the first two albums are my favorite but that's pretty much every band ever so and they're they're no longer right uh i don't know it just seems like they're defunct yeah i think they're defunct i think they're defunct but they're all alive like a guy didn't die yeah okay good no i think andy flatlander is like He's kind of around in L.A., I think. Like as a producer type shit? I never met him, but I think I have mutual friends. Yeah. I think he's working as a producer. I'm sure I'll bump into him that stir crazy. Now that your shit is done, are you going to start working on other people's stuff? I mean, I got a few secret things in the works. I would love to produce everything. Like, I love making music with other people, and I like, like, just... I don't know. It's funny because like after being after doing a lot of sessions this year and like being the subject of other producers like whims or like, you know, they're asking me like trying to like figure out what I'm about and they want to help me bring that vision to life. Like I figured out that I actually just prefer to do that to other people. And I like to like, I don't know, like it's it's fun because music is more than just like here's a big ass beat and bass, even though that's like my favorite shit. It's like. it's like you know what is the story and if you're like i don't know like trying to think of a good example like chapel rowan or something it's like i really like her music and it's like the next album what is the story like where the fuck is it gonna go because she's already doing this like you know drag like liza minnelli just like belting fucking cindy lopper performance thing it's like yeah like what does the second

what's the most interesting second album for her not just that it like is well written and well produced but like conceptually i don't know so i find that to be really interesting and i want to do a lot more of that going forward which is basically what rick rubin does i think but rick doesn't make his own music though you know that's the difference nobody fucking knows you can't do anything who before we go who called you and told you that billy eilish was getting on the song uh charlie But she just texted me. She was just like, yeah, Billie Eilish is getting on the song. And I was like, fuck, yeah. And then you're like, did I get a flat rate on that or do I get points on that? Yeah, hold on. I need to talk to my lawyer about this just quickly. But did you have to do anything or was it like it showed up in your inbox? No, Charlie and I, we went back and forth a bunch. And also Phineas engineered. And it added some synths, and then we just went back. Phineas had to get his paws on that one, didn't he? You know, Phineas said, pull up the files. No, no, it was so good. I know the song's done, but let me add my stink to it. Pull up the files. No, it was awesome. It was just really fun to make, and then everybody was just involved doing their little feedback. And there are, like, a bunch of little nuanced changes you might not notice from the original that I'm happy about. move charlie's some of charlie's like ad libs around on a bunch and i don't know so it it was fun doing that whole thing uh you're in the you're in the video right uh yeah yeah they well they were also like oh you should come to la to be in the video and i was like yeah so i flew out immediately yeah i mean you don't miss the video the video is no yeah no like we flew out we flew in got in at like midnight woke up at like 6 a.m and then went to burbank or whatever the santa florida i don't know where the fuck yeah yeah yeah there's one studio where i feel like everybody makes music videos and because i was watching another music video and i was like wait a minute that's it's like they they do that like zoom out thing in this video where you can like see that it's filmed in it on a set and i'm like that's the bathroom i was like i was just there i was just there next to a pot of underwear this is crazy yeah what the fuck that's my bathroom yeah um that's where i was eating that's the catering

Harrison, thank you for joining us. The album is in stores on Friday, big day. And you're playing, you're doing Webster Hall on Thursday night? Yes, sir. And that's sold out, I'm sure. Sold out. You already know. What's the setup on stage? We got a band. What's the? It's just me. I got my stands. Wall of Marshall House. Got some amps, some lights. We got my crash cymbal. All right, so we're keeping costs down. I like this. All your money from Webster Hall goes straight into the artist's pocket. He doesn't have to split in with fucking eight guys. There's no auxiliary percussionist. He's smart. Yeah, yeah. I need to get a better sound system to listen to an Emily and Paris song. That's exactly what you need. Thank you for joining us. Have fun at the live stream, and we'll see you soon. All right. See you later. Thanks, bro. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile, with a message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please, for the love of everything good in this world, stop. With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just $15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments, but that's weird. Okay, one judgment. Anyway, give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of $45 for three-month plan, equivalent to $15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See full terms at mintmobile.com.