299. - Leon Bridges

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. Chris, How Long Gone is here? Wednesday. We have a cool guest today, but I'm a little angry just with some home stuff. You know, still have our heaters not working. Today is the third day where the repair company is a no-call, no-show. So are you saying that, or did you have to buy... bean and margot matching barber coats are they able to survive through this kind of frozen tundra that you've created i had the good people friends of the show over at bode created some cashmere suiting for them to kind of get them through the uh the nippier hours of the day kind of between midnight and let's say 8 a.m where the temperatures can drop Sometimes below 60 degrees. I mean, below 60 is unsafe for humans or animals. So I'm praying that your Hermes blanket is back from the dry cleaners and you're able to kind of snuggle up with that while we podcast. Do not tell Bay that I did not dry clean the Hermes. I did not know that was a thing I had to do. It's okay. This is what I'm here for, Jason. This is why our relationship works on so many levels. I mean, we've talked about this off pod, and I'm actually dealing with some home stuff today as well. There's some construction going on over here, and I had to ask them to stop so we could record this podcast. Damn, sucks, doesn't it? We're both suffering from success. But the issue, the root issue of your problem, obviously, is the no call, no show. I mean, that's just insane from a business. No call, no show, and the juicier part.

that uh is very unfortunate is they they took uh they took a check no and they said you know we won't cash this check no you know it's basically like to protect them we won't cash this check until the repairs are completed and you're happy with the services And we said, okay, it's a professional company that we hired through Nest Home. So everything felt on the up and up and legit. The guy we talked to was cool. Hold on, hold on. Did you fail to check them on Yelp? Classic TJ move. Karen TJ didn't check Yelp on this? I did fail to check Yelp. I don't know. Something to think about. Something to think about. I've got blood on my hands as well. But basically, I did a lot of yelling, a lot of calls and things. I got him to take a few hundred dollars off the check, and then when I went to figure out how that money would be... I see where this is going. I was like, well, when the guys do come on Tuesday, which is today, and they were supposed to come between 8 and 10, it is now noon, and another no call, no show. I was like, well, when the guys come... And fix it and everything. Bring the check. I'll rip it up and we'll cut a new one for the discounted amount. And he said, we actually have already cashed your check. So now this is literally reached felony theft. This is just a company took $1,500 from us and just straight up. Nah, we ain't going to show, we ain't going to call, we ain't going to do anything. Because $1,500 could buy you a lot of soft services buffing bars, if I'm doing the math correctly. But that is petty crime, and I know Karen TJ is going to get to the bottom of this. Gumshoe TJ, are you going to... Are you going to call your lawyer? Are you going to round up some of your bros and go intimidate? What is your way forward? I don't think that calling 911 is the right move. I think it's going to be more of a small claims court situation. Judge Judy. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Judy with the booty. Maybe it's your turn. But the main bummer is that... It's cold.

And I am reminded of this felony theft every morning when I wake up and the inside of my house is 58 degrees. So that part is really starting to kind of affect my psyche in general. My mental health is not there. And this company is not making space for my... my mental health at all and that's something that judy's not gonna like the sound of no that's true i mean maybe you should try better help but that's a different conversation but i think that the i think that you're we don't talk about better help until they recharge my until they recharge our anchor card oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to do that i didn't mean we already spent all of our mental health coin for this month we we have so many listeners that BetterHelp. I've invested heavily in BetterHelp Doge, and it's really coming together. So you're cold, and there's no end in sight, and you've got your little ugly beanie on. You might have your heat tech on under your shorts. I mean, is there an address that you can go down and knock on the door and get a little face-to-face action? Yeah, they're down in Irvine in Orange County. Okay, that's a little bit of a haul. I'd probably take the L on the 1500 and just figure it out. I'd probably just let them kind of have that, and we'll see what happens. Well, so far, my strategy has been talking to the customer service person. on the Twitter DMs of the business. Yeah, this is going to go well. And basically every day I write them a message saying, how do I get my money back after you stole it from me and cashed my check? And then they write kind of like a boilerplate copy and paste response like, we're sorry that you have experience, you know, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm just kind of asking them, 17 to 30 menial questions every day on Twitter DMs just to see what happens. I think that's a pretty cool approach overall. It's not getting... The squeaky wheel gets me grease and I'm not going to get enough grease to make me happy. The last DM I sent them was... Run me my check. I apologize for the inconvenience that this may have caused.

We wish you a wonderful day ahead. And I said, is the next step calling the police about you taking my money? And they said, I really apologize. I have submitted your request to the team, and they will help you further. This sounds like a bot response. Also, I don't know why an HVAC company is on Twitter. That's the first red flag. Everyone's on Twitter. Jason, I think that your biggest takeaway from the situation that you found yourself in is to... You've got to use Yelp, I guess, Jason. I guess you've got to do your homework because you always do that with restaurants, and they're always bad. So why would you think it would be different with HVAC services? I don't know, man. I don't know. I've got to tell you, man. If it ain't one thing, it's the other around here. But I know that it's been a challenge, and God gives his most difficult challenges to his most turnt-up homeowners. And the big man upstairs knows I'm going to be handling this with the grace and gratitude of our Lord. And I know that those people are working very hard. They're at Arby's right now eating their 11, 15 lunch. And they're filling their souls with the nourishment they need to get on my roof and rewire an HVAC unit. Jason, I think this is an opportunity for you to grow. And I think it's an opportunity for maybe you because I know you need a little extra scratch. Maybe you should look into getting certified as an HVAC specialist. I mean, you could probably do most of the pre-work on YouTube, which you love to do that with other stuff. The only reason why I need a little extra scratch is because companies keep stealing money from me. Otherwise, I would be fine. As long as these corporations keep taking money right out of your pocket, I think you're just going to need to learn more skills so you can kind of not live off the grid, but cut out every problematic kind of... failing service person you've already mastered cooking you know if you could if you could figure out how to change the oil in that old jalopy you could be self-sufficient i know how to change the oil and my car is not a jalopy it's a it's a fine truck that was made in the last 10 years with great you know i just took it in for service last week so we're we're good you're on top of it there's a lot of stuff i can do but this you know rewiring yeah you know and installing copper wires and k you know this is something

This is a guaranteed TJ is going to cross the positive and the negative and get blown off the roof 10 feet. I'm going to land somewhere. In Altadena. Oh, God. No, no, no. Can you imagine if you blew up your house and landed at Side Pie and they were just playing the dead and you just ate pizza and forgot about it? You just moved to Altadena. You just never returned to Glendale after you blew up the house. Well, I mean, I think that – This is my new life. I think this is how people – I think this is how things – I think you're kind of a natural problem solver. So I think this is – I still think that you could do this yourself. I just don't know if you can kind of commit the time today because we're obviously podcasting. So maybe you guys just be cold for a couple more days, and then you'll have time to kind of pull up the YouTube on the TV and take a couple classes. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if I'll be able to become certified in HVAC repair and electrical engineering before our guest comes on the Zoom today. I know. I'll try. Look, I have a lot of faith in you as my business partner and co-host, and I want to see you succeed. But I do feel like maybe this is – you're going to have to get a professional. You're right. You talked me out of it. I was really pushing for you to become – because, I mean, I might need some HVAC work. You know what I mean? And then I have somebody I can trust. I can call. And then we have a whole network of people. that we can kind of solicit your services to. I do need a professional, and I just need it to not be a professional burglar who burgles me. You've been burgled, and I think that what I would say. I've been burgled. I would say this. I don't know if this is, you know, you don't have to take advice from me, obviously. I'm not a homeowner. I'm just a regular Joe, you know, salty earth cat. I would say in tandem today, you absolutely harass. the burglars while also finding another company to service the HVAC. No, that's the problem. It's a real touchy situation because these guys or gals, whoever, non-binary pals are going to come over and they're going to climb up onto my home with a long ladder and they are going to, you know, rewire the electrical cables of my home. So I don't want those people.

to be anti-TJ. I want them to finish the job, do a great job, do a perfect job. I'm bringing them iced tea. Can I make you a tuna fish sandwich? We love that guy, TJ. And then when the work is all done, that's when I go to Irvine with the fucking 50 cal red dot scope. I was thinking more of like a supreme baseball bat, but sure. That works too. I mean, I'm past intimidation and I am straight on to... You're ready to blast off. I'm taking your life. You know what I'm saying? Jason to life over here in Irvine. If you think I'm not willing to be put behind bars for the rest of my existence over $1,500, you thought wrong. You don't know shit about TJ. Well, look, I think that... Look, you do whatever you want. I'm here to support you. I'm here to uplift you. I'm here to make sure you feel good and empowered on this journey to HVAC replenishment. I do appreciate that. And if you need to borrow any... I have a puffer and stuff. If you need to borrow anything, just kind of let me know. I don't know if you have cashmere socks. That seems like something you might not be into. You're right about that. I don't have cashmere socks. They probably don't come in your size, but I think we could probably figure something out. My mom's knitting them for Christmas. She started now, but you can stretch mine out. It's fine. You can just keep them. It's no big deal. This is going to happen again to you, so I'm not that concerned about getting them back. We do have a guest today, a man who I'm sure owns Cashmere Socks. That's right. You know him from the Grammy Awards. You know him from television, radio. You know him as the voice of Fort Worth, Texas. A friend of the show, Leon Bridges, is joining us today. And it's going to take everything in my power not to have him sing. Once he talks to us for 15 minutes, he's going to be wishing that he only had to sing. That might be possible. I noticed recently that he did cover a Brooks and Dunn song. Unfortunately, not our theme song. So if this goes well, I think it's something I could reach out to some of my contacts. Maybe Sarah Mary at Columbia could kind of set something up for us and see if maybe Leon could do a version of our theme song. Lay something tasty down. We'll lay something tasty down. Maybe you could do the cuts on it. I'm sure he'd let you do that. Wouldn't be a Brooks and Dunn song without...

Some turntable-less cuts. And I also know Leon a little bit through a mutual friend, a guy who used to or still does DJ for him, DJ Sober, who's an old DJ bro from Texas, and he's also a member of the Graph community, most notably the Freight community. Oh, so there's not a... Okay, wow, we have a lot of connections to this. I love this. Okay, so Leon Bridges, let's give him a jingle. He's been on the road. All right, all right. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world... writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept, quote unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. You know, show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early and we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional. as your competition, if not more. So... Head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking...

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None of my cards were. Oh, damn. To pay for the COVID test. You're able to contact the team and get it sorted. The COVID testing for international travel does make it a little less glamorous, I have to say. Yeah, I'm going to Mexico, actually, this weekend. And, you know, a tip for the next time you're down there in Tulum, turning up, the hotel often has that service where they can send somebody to the room and give you a little test. Obviously, you know, there'll be a little bit of a charge, but I think, you know, we can... That's a write-off. The team will handle that. Right. You can swing it. They tried to do that when I was in London. They were like, yeah, you can go down the street and get the test here. We can obviously do a concierge style service. And the price difference was 250 pounds. So I did opt. I did opt to go myself, even though I wanted the white glove service. Smell like broken here. When I'm in Mexico, CDMX, they call it over there. I'll be at the Quatro Seasons and they'll sort me out just fine. Oh, yeah. They come to your room like room service. They come to the room. service you know i'll be like you know my left shoulder's a little sore while you're while you're over there if you can kind of hit that for a few minutes jason it's surprising that you would do that because you're known as kind of cheap but you're saying that on the that's why i go to mexico oh i see because your dollar goes a little further your dollar goes a lot longer for reasons that are most likely unethical yeah i haven't been in a i haven't been in a long time but i don't know this sounds like leon this sounds like is this your go-to destination to unwind yeah you know i I guess it's... You got a couple Tulum Tings. Yeah, you know, it's kind of equivalent to, you know, the heads in Australia, they go to Bali. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of there for us, you know, and I really love... you know, Mexican culture in that way. And since you're, yeah, you're already in Texas. So, I mean, that's what a 20 minute flight down to Tulum is easy. If you change shoes, you can walk. If you didn't have those boots on Leon, you could, you could have saved money on the flight too. You know what I mean? Put on sneakers and you're good to go. Well, that, that is one thing I did want to talk to you about because in addition to being a great songwriter and musician and performer, you're known for, for being, you know,

A stylish fella, a fashionista, if you will. Somewhat. A fashionista. You heard me, Leon. Yeah. So you're always dressed very well, which is, you know, friend of the show, Bodhi. We talked about them earlier in the intro. You know, you wear a lot of clothes from them, some custom suitings and things like that. You're always stunting, but, like, what... What happens when you go to the gym or you're super hungover after you did Red Rocks, you're at Denver? Do you still have to put on the pink satin suit and cowboy hat when you're in the Delta Lounge getting your overnight oats? What's going on? Yeah, I think I wear Chuck Taylors or something when I work out. There's nothing wrong with that. No, it's funny. I have some workout shoes, and they're Nikes. Okay. Thank God. We had a little scare. And one of my friends, he kind of saw them. They were in my bag, and he was like, who are those for? And he was like, well, these are my workout shoes. I wear normal, regular workout clothes, but a few times that I do work out a year. Oh, I see. Three times a year you are working. There are some people who just always commit to the look and are never seen in public without a fully formed fit put together. I always admire those people, the dedication that it takes to the look. Right. But unless you're like a Karl Lagerfeld type of person, it's just like, all right, you could take one day off. Well, I think what happens is, and I think this is at least true about suits, I think it becomes easier. But it makes your life easier to wear a suit every day. If you like that, it takes the thought out of it, and you can just kind of wake up and go. I think that's part of the appeal. Yeah, I get that. Uniform dressing. Yeah, I dig that too.

when i when i when i go to the airport i'll you know i'll wear monochrome black or these days i've been kind of sticking within like the earth tone palette you know i just i try to keep it simple yeah because if i see you if i see you at the airport and you got the fucking you know you got the gig bag you know you're rolling around with 10 guys and you're wearing all birds you know i'm not i'm gonna be i'm gonna be upset you know what i mean i'm gonna i'm gonna call i'm gonna call the grammy board myself and complain So it's a fine line. It's a fine line. And I think airport looks are tough. But I agree. I think there's the lost art of dressing up a bit for a flight. I think that I feel a little bit better when I look better on a plane than most Americans who are wearing pajama pants. Right. I just like, I guess, planting that. that good first impression, you know, off rip, you know, just like, even, even if you, if you, even if you don't know me as an artist, then maybe what I'm wearing might speak to you. And I, and I've seen that multiple times. Now that you say that reminds me, has it ever happened where someone's like, you know what, Leon, I checked out his music. Not for me, not really a fan, but damn, the guy's a snappy dresser. And you know what? It turned me into a fan. Has your, has your sauce ever created a new fan? You know what? I love the honesty. You're like, maybe it has. They probably wouldn't tell me if that was the case. In a world of YouTube comments and all that shit, a little dose of that honesty doesn't really hurt so bad compared to the rest of the other shit you've probably seen on the internet over the years. I've never experienced anyone telling me to my face that they weren't. I actively hate your music, but man, the hemline on those trousers is something else, so I went ahead and bought the album. I agree with you, Leon, though. I think 100%. If I see somebody that looks cool, I want to know what's going on. I want to get deeper into what they're doing. It does spark my interest. I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. Do you feel the same way about album covers, Chris, or Leon as well?

Pre-internet, when you would go to the record store and see an album, you would have to often buy it without listening to it, just based on how sick the album artwork is. And sometimes you could find your new favorite band. No, that's true. I've bought records like that, especially as a kid. I mean, I think that's like... I mean, that's why you think about iconic album covers. It was definitely helping sell the record. Yeah, you see an old Brooks and Dunn album. You're like, I want to know what these two fellas are up to. Yeah, we got to talk to you about this because our theme song is a karaoke version of a Brooks and Dunn song. Oh, okay, okay. Which one? Which one? The song is called How Long Gone. Okay. You familiar with that tune? The only one I know is Neon Moon, unfortunately. No, that's fine. I mean, their catalog goes deep. No need to apologize. I just noticed that you covered that song recently, and I was like, damn, it's meant to be. Did you just do that for yourself, or is that attached to something? I did it for myself, but there's this TikTok thing, hashtag love song covers. the team encouraged me to do. Well put. What happened was the team was at it again. It's all love. I've always wanted to cover that song. And so it was kind of my opportunity to do that. So explain this TikTok challenge to me because I'm sure Columbia Records could, but I'd rather ask you. Man, I mean, I honestly don't. I don't know what it all entails, but I think it's just going to be something that's, I guess, trending. These days, TikTok is, I guess, really conducive as far as like... Hate it or love it, it moves the needle. Right. As far as exposing artists like me to the world. You don't seem like a big TikTok user. So that doesn't surprise you. You're like, I got to download this shit or can I just send you guys the video? I don't get it. And it's so tedious. It's like a whole other job trying to create content. And I'm just like, man, I'm just not good at this.

help please but no i think that's smart i think honestly i think that's the problem in today's world in a lot of ways everybody's trying to do everything and if you're like you know i make i make records i tour i'll sing for you guys but beyond that let me you just let me know but i'm good you know what i mean i'm not trying to do everything yeah there should be some nerd somewhere with a computer who's just going to take what i've already done and turn that into a tick tock so i don't have to like record myself 11 times right yeah We've got to draw the lines. No, that's what I'm saying. There's a band called Cults, which you might be familiar with. They had a pretty big song in 2010 or 2012 or something. They recently posted today on Instagram. They had received a gold or platinum certification because their song from 2012 became a TikTok hit. And they've booked an entire tour. Their career is fully revived from this one song. Yeah, that's amazing. It's crazy, but this is happening a lot. I've heard stories like this. There was some band I'd never heard of. Their song went viral. The guys hated each other. They all had new careers, but they were like, fuck it. I guess we're going to do this. I guess we got a tour. CAA signs them. They get a record deal. They're like, fuck it. I guess we're a band again. I mean, I guess this is what we're doing. So why did you guys get back together? Well, a bunch of 13-year-olds do slutty dances to our song on their cell phones. So here we are. I'm 58 years old. We decided we should just do this. But, I mean, it is really powerful. It's kind of insane because I've heard so many stories. So what social media do you like to do? Or is that also zero? I mean, Instagram has always been a fave. Let's go. Let's go. I like taking dope photos and giving people. i guess inside to a window into the life yeah no window into the life i mean right so are these hashtag 35 millimeter or is this shot on iphone man i i've noticed that um the type of photos that get the most love are the iphone photos every time like when i do professional i think like when it comes to like like a digital professional kind of thing i think the stuff that works is like

set up in a studio backdrop. Real shit. Yeah. I love the idea though, that you, you take an iPhone photo gets more likes than like, yeah, set for a portrait with any Leibovitz. You guys didn't really show that a lot of love, but yeah, here's a selfie of me and Tulum. Thank you guys for, you know, thank you guys. But I think that's what we're conditioned to seeing to an extent. You know what I mean? It's like, that's what. that platform is, so that's what people are looking for it to look like. They don't even know that at this point. We want the reality. The music that you make has a certain style to it. You're covering a country song from Brooks and Dunn. But when you're on holiday, when you're in Tulum, are you listening to some electronic dance music? Or is that something that just doesn't even enter your mind? Man, you know, I guess the electronic house thing kind of has never been my cup of tea. I stand with Leon. I stand with Leon. Jason tries to push this shit on me all the time. No need to mince your words. I won't take it personally, Leon, as a member of the EDM community. Which is why I went on Instagram. I posted a video and I was like, can someone put me onto a DJ that's going to play some Gunna? And so somebody tagged this Instagram page called Black Tulum. They have a bunch of cool little events that they do on the weekend that I was able to pull up on. You crowdsourced a DJ playing Gunna in Mexico? Yeah. Damn, that's powerful. I didn't know. I had to fight. Wow. Okay, so an online community for people who are black, who go to Tulum, who are like, I really can't handle this bullshit. Is there anywhere I can go where I can hear some fucking Gunna? I worked hard this year. Let me live. Pretty much. I'm really glad that exists. That makes me like Tulum more. That makes me like Tulum more. Was the DJ set good? Was it fun? It was rad.

I like a DJ set that's seamless, and you don't have to look up at the DJ if he has a bad transition or something or a bad song throughout the set. It was just smooth. They can't all be DJ sober, am I right, Leon? Right. Not everybody can be sober, man. Not everybody can be sober. Yeah, you just give him the gunna look when you're in the club, and he knows what time it is, right? Absolutely. Sober's that dude. You're on the record as a... As a big Gunna fan, have you guys linked up yet, or is this just a mutual appreciation? I am, I guess, high-key Gunna Stan. High-key Gunna Stan. High-key. Both of you guys are really dressing as well. You have something in common. If you need an icebreaker at the next Roc Nation brunch. Yeah, exactly. He understands fashion, for sure. We've been in the same space before. It was like a Gunna. I felt like a party at Delilah's in LA. I didn't get to shake his hand, but I know at some point I will. You guys were building in the same room, breathing the same COVID air. I'll take that. I'm sure you guys will end up in the studio at some point. You might have to go to Atlanta, but I'm sure you're not opposed to that. I'm wondering, does he even know I exist? Does he know my music? sometimes I wonder the same thing about Gunna like I know he subscribes to our podcast but is he like a listener you know Yeah, it's like, does he even listen to what we say? I'm sure you've been surprised many times about who knows about your music. But it's like Barack Obama, not like a rapper you like. You're like, damn, this guy don't know, but the president knows, but this guy doesn't know. The grass is always greener, man. You're like, yeah, Obama put me on the presidential playlist. I got 11 million new streams in one hour. That part's cool, but does Nardo Wick know who I am? Leon, you've been on the Obama playlist, I'm assuming, right? Yeah, I've been on a handful of times. I'm trying to think of like, does Obama actually curate these playlists? It's a big question. We've tackled this question. A lot of people have the theory that his daughters have a big hand in putting it together and then it's kind of peppered in.

by, like, the social media intern person. Right, right. And he'll, you know, there'll be 100 songs. Obama will put, like, three Springsteen joints, and then everyone else on his team will kind of add it on to make it, you know, a perfect diverse cast of two. Because I will be transparent. I've done the same thing before. So if I can do it. If Pandora asks you to put together a cool playlist, you don't spend a whole weekend with a turntable and a spliff. You know, there's times where I'll curate a little bit of it and then I'll hand it off to my manager, Jonathan Eshak, a.k.a. Jerome. Shout out to Jerome. We know you're listening. Shout out to Jerome. I'm Eshak. Shout out to Jerome. If I can do it, I know Obama probably does. That's a good point. If you can do it, I'm sure Obama can do it too. If my ass doesn't have the time, I damn sure know Obama doesn't have the time. Those playlists, that shit is a thing. People fucking care about that. Did you check the analytics? Did your team see a spike in any numbers after that happened? Or has your life not really changed? They never really share the analytics and all that kind of stuff put me, which is I'm fine without knowing. Maybe your local barista will be like, hey, Leon, saw you on the presidential playlist. Keep rocking, man. I'm with you, Leon. The only numbers I want to see are in the city national business checking. I'm not really too worried about the analytics. Speaking of presidential music, I just saw recently that at Mar-a-Lago, Trump is throwing a party and he advertised himself as being the actual DJ for the event's activities. Have you guys seen this? Trump DJing at his own party. I think it was so tough that he couldn't get anyone to DJ his shit that he's like, fuck it, I gotta do it myself. I gotta dust off the presidential Serato. Oh my god, that's gonna be...

Man, that's going to be one boring set for sure. It's going to be four out because the only song he knows is YMCA and he still doesn't know that that's a gay song. Right, right, right. So I think he's going to be in trouble, man. This is going to be good. I hope somebody's able to get the set list and kind of remake it for Spotify. I heard on some of the message boards that the Trump team has been trying to teach Kodak Black how to DJ, but it isn't taking. It's not working. He's the only MAGA artist right now that's available in the Florida area. Yeah, Kodak, you always win. You always win. Kodak, please, please. Kodak's having a hard time with the beat matching, and we haven't even got into mixing and pee. He's train wrecking left and right. It's going to be hard. He's our only option. Damn, that's... Pretty much, pretty much. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy, Jason. I cannot believe that is, like... Also, to announce that, like, that's going to... Yeah, like an official press release. That doesn't help attendance. I would say that hurts attendance more than anything. I would love to see Trump... DJing. I mean, I hate the guy, but just to see it as a spectacle. Oh, I would pay money, honestly. Even if it went to a bad cause, it'd probably be worth it. I mean, it's like it might be worth it for the story. If you have to make a donation to the North Korean government to see it, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I'll do it. I'm not afraid to do that. I'm sure someone from Vice Magazine will go to this event and they will take acid and ketamine and report a great story on how it all went. They're a cater waiter doubling as a vice reporter. I can see it now. Let's investigate it. It's going to be Ocean's Eleven style. Well, speaking of the world of EDM and everything, you know, it's not uncommon nowadays to see these music festivals where there doesn't really seem to be a theme either way for it. Like, here's a country festival, here's a hip-hop festival you've got Rolling Loud, but there's so many other festivals just in the middle of America where it's just...

It's all over the place in terms of booking. And sometimes you will end up on those lineups. So I want to know what the vibe is for you when you go into it, when you're like, I'm in Alabama, it's me, T-Pain, Fall Out Boy, and Skrillex. Are you going into it like, this is going to be sick, I can't wait to show this new audience my music, or are you like, this is about to be a rough 38 minutes of my life right now? Right. I've had some experiences that were weird, at least from my perspective. I did good ball, and I was so super excited to play. But I was kind of in the middle of a bunch of pop artists. And so I just kind of felt like, oh, man, this... Blues and R&B kind of thing is not really translating. It's hard to follow Demi Lovato at 1.30 in the afternoon. We've all been there, Leon. Do you remember who you were sandwiched in between? Kalani and then Billie Eilish. Shit, shit. And I was like, damn, I don't have enough backup dancers. You're like, hey, team, what the fuck? You knew I was playing before Billy. We got no dancers. What the fuck? Hey, no shade. No shade. I still had a good time, but it was a little awkward. Festivals really be a mismatch, though. I'm more interested in what's going on backstage than on the stage. Let's get into that rider, Leon. Right. Oh, the rider. The rider, yeah. I'm not talking about hospitality. I want the tech rider. I want to know how many monitor. Oh, that one. Okay, let me hit up my tour. All the DI box. Please pull that up. That's so funny. Wouldn't that be wild if I knew all that? Hold on. I'll zoom in my lighting tech. He'll know a little bit more about that configuration. I'm talking hospitality. I'm talking what brand coconut water is going down, what's the snacks, chocolate covered, this, et cetera, et cetera. Man, I keep it simple. I got a bottle of Vita.

Mezcal. Yeah, classic Vita. I keep kettle chips. Oh, okay. Now we're talking. What flavor, Big Dog? Salt and pepper. Oh, yeah. The crinkle cut. Salt and pepper. Salt and pepper. Salt and pepper. Sounds like you're talking about an Air Force One. That's really about it. I got ginger and honey. Got to protect. Well, thank God you're playing some bigger venues now because salt and pepper kettle chips and mezcal, that breath's going to be fucked up, I got to say. It's not an intimate setting. Yeah, exactly. Big venues. Maybe get a little... A little Altoid on the hospitality for 2022, something like that. Once the venues got bumped up above 10,000, we could start adding in salt and vinegar chips. That's when you stay away. Speaking of touring and festivals, you are going on tour this spring, summer, right? I am. I'll be in... Fingers crossed, of course. All of it looks pretty promising. It looks like you're playing a lot of places where they don't think that COVID exists anymore, so I think you'll be... You'll be great. I was looking at the tour schedule. I noticed that there's not a show in New York or L.A., but you're doing three different shows in the state of North Carolina. We need answers. There's a lot of Alabama. Is that just because that's where you're demoed? Demo is, or we got some dates that have not been announced? Patience, everybody. He said patience. We got something. We're going to do it big in the fall. Okay. Oh, I see. We'll be in New York. I can't say now. Of course, of course. I mean, it's cool that you're able to do three different shows in North Carolina. Right. I mean, most people can't even do one. Yeah, that is impressive. Yeah, I think the whole point of this, I guess that tour is just to kind of play, you know, show some love to some of the more smaller markets. We know what an underplay is. Right. We're not new to this. We're not new to this. But I wonder, it makes me wonder if the booking agencies are kind of doing that thing where like, all right, well.

Restrictions are starting to go down. Masks and large group gatherings are starting to open back up again. But in the more major metropolitan areas, not so much. So for now, let's just do the Carolinas and the Dakotas and the Kentuckys because that's good money all day. And then once things are fully opened up. we can do places that have Wi-Fi and running water and stuff like that. It could be a factor. Well, I think it's also, though, like if you can sell tickets in those places, most people can't. That's what I'm saying. It's like playing in Alabama is tough for a lot of people, but if you can go sell real tickets in Alabama, why not? It makes life easier. Right. I mean, to be able to sell like 4,000 tickets in Alabama is actually... Something to be proud of, I guess. Absolutely. Shit, 4,000. Damn, we'd have to fly in for that. I love Alabama. Come on up. Jason hasn't spent a lot of time on that. No, we're coming to a show. I mean, I think I've told this story before, but when I grew up in Atlanta, We would often drive to Birmingham because there's this beautiful theater there. I saw Morrissey there. I saw all these great people there because no one was going. It would sell out in Atlanta, but you could go buy a ticket same day in Birmingham. I have a special place in my heart for the beautiful state of Alabama. Alabama is your Tulum. Exactly. It's open. You can always get down there and get something to do. Ideal destination. You still live in Fort Worth, right? I do, man. I'm still holding it down. It really keeps my peace of mind to be able to come back to a place that I'm familiar with. My family's here. My friends are here. I'll probably be here. They'll probably have to bury me here, man. I like that. We talk a lot about home ownership on this podcast because Jason's having some HVAC issues today. I didn't know if you had anybody for him. I don't know if you knew anybody you could suggest to help him out with the HVAC. Pray for me, Leon. Yeah, he's dealing with a lot right now. I don't know if you deal with these kind of things, but I feel like you do. Yeah, I'm still kind of a baby homeowner. I'm kind of at a place where, if anything...

that goes on with my home that's complicated. I just need to get somebody else on it. That's my approach to life as well. That's my approach with everything. We're going to go ahead and get someone else on it. I don't get it. This is hard. Okay, well, there is a spectrum of people who are able to do things around the house and people who are not, where Chris and I are kind of on opposite ends of the spectrum, whereas Chris will hire a TaskRabbit to literally hang a picture on the wall. Right. And I'm doing some more advanced landscaping and painting. Nothing too crazy, but I'm definitely getting after it. The Christmas lights get installed by myself. Stuff like that. I have a ladder. I have a power drill. Where do you fit on this scale? What's the most intensive home repair work that you will do? without having to call somebody else. Oh my God. Wash dishes. I'll give you, maybe I'll give you some, I'll give you some, no, just throw that shit away. Okay, listen, we can do a little role play. Let's say you get the, You've got the ill Samsung picture frame TV, and you want to mount that on the wall. You don't want the wires exposed. You've got to go into the wall and run them through the drywall. Is that a bridge's job, or are we calling? I'm calling. I'm calling for sure. That's right. That's my man. He stands with me. You can't risk that. You know what I mean? You can't have the TV fall off the wall. Okay, how about this? Here's another one. Here's another one. Let's say. You know, you smoked a little too much. Maybe the edible is hitting. You're on Instagram. You get served an ad for a shower head that has a built-in filter for your skin care routine. Okay. All you got to do is get the wrench out, unscrew the old shower head, and put the new one on. Is that a Leon job? Are we calling somebody for that? Man, I'm feeling a little guilty now. Maybe I need to go ahead and – No, no, don't let him – All right, Leon, last question. What is the most impressive tool that you have in your toolbox? at home oh man i i mean i forgot i even had a toolbox if i was to go yeah you might not even have a toolbox if i had to go look for one i would definitely be hard pressed to you know even find where that thing is be lucky if we can get a hammer you'd be very lucky to find a hammer the problem the problem is the problem is leon and i are in the same boat but i don't think we're in the same tax bracket

And that's a little bit of a problem for me, not a problem so much for him. Yeah, Chris is already a monster. Just imagine when he starts getting some M's in the bank. It's going to be fucked up. Having a little bit more money doesn't bring full happiness, but it does make life a little bit more easier. That's right. Now, are you a car guy? What are you buying? Because I'm sure you've got equipment and shit, but you've got to buy some nice stuff for yourself besides clothes every once in a while. So what are you splashing out on? So I recently kind of made a little impulse buy on a 69 Pontiac GTO. I've always wanted an old school and I gravitated towards like the muscle car vibe. And so I did that. And then I got a Bronco. An old Bronco. Yeah, it's a 78 Bronco. You didn't get the brand new Bronco. I didn't get the brand new Bronco. I'm not digging the new ones. He's a hell no. That one's a little more Austin and a little less Dallas-Fort Worth, maybe. Yeah, I would say that. Vintage Bronco, classic. That had a big moment in L.A., kind of in the mid-2000s, like Entourage era. all like the hot you know like brad pitt ass motherfuckers would drive around the bronco with no doors no roof flip-flop hanging out and just a trail of pussy behind them but now the 2022 bronco it's like that's a car that you get if you like work at slack you know right yeah it doesn't it does not hit that what color so what color is the gto oh so it's um it's like silver now is this is this ready to rock or you got to put some work into oh man it's um I mean, it's in pristine condition pretty much. Drive's amazing. You know, it's a silver-red, like, oxblood interior. Oh, I love the oxblood. That's nice. So is it just kind of like a factory restore, or do you have some custom modifications? No, I think – so it pretty much came as is, but I think the engine might have been replaced at a certain point. It's not sitting on some shoes or anything like that. Not at all. That's smart. You don't want to be too flashy. When you open the trunk, there's not a neon sign that shows a message about –

the haters or anything right right now i didn't want to fuck it up like that keep it a little more low-key i get it uh-huh now how do you choose like which you know if you're going to whole foods do you take the bronco because it's a little bigger or is it just how you're feeling that day depends on if it's a la croix day my my bronco has been exactly two years in the making um which is oh sucks but i think uh COVID had a lot to do with the delay on it. Supply chain issues. So you're missing parts? Is that the excuse from the mechanic? They were saying that there was something wrong with the brakes, and so they had to reorder some brakes, and that's been taking a while. That took two years. Did you buy your car in China and get stuck on a boat somewhere? You would think so. Yeah, we've got to redo the brakes. It's probably going to take about two years. Right, right. Make sure you give me a good phone number, and we'll give you a call. Right, right. I'm like, I'm ready. But I like that you don't have, you know, I think most people, you know, have the old car and the new car. I appreciate that you're like, no, I don't have the Tesla. I've got the Bronco and I got the GTO. Those are my choices. Right. And, you know, I guess it's just not worth it to buy something new that's going to, you know, depreciate in value. You're a sustainable guy, which is weird that you're a sustainable guy, but you really don't seem to care about the environment that much, Leon. What's up with that? The shade. You keep getting all these cars that don't need smog checks. I don't know if they have smog checks in Texas. You guys might not have that down there. You guys might not have. Well, what about jewelry, though? What about jewelry, though? Because I know people spend a lot of money on that. You got the Frank Ocean on the wrist? Man, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. You know, the rappers have definitely... Influenced you? Definitely influenced me. You know, I've recently been trying to get a couple of grills and working on some... You know, but I like the whole busted down, all diamond kind of look. And so my next move will be some busted down little pinky rings, you know, type stuff. I like that. So plain Jane for the car. Yeah, plain Jane. The jewelry is anything but plain Jane. Exactly, yeah. It's the whole opposite.

I think that the, now the grills, are you going to Houston? Are you going to Johnny Dang? Or are you going to, are you keeping it, are you in New York or LA? Who's your grillier? Yeah. You know, I kind of like working with local guys, but seeing a Johnny Dang is definitely kind of a ride of passage kind of thing. I also want to go to Icebox in Atlanta where a bunch of rappers go through. They've probably never seen a soul guy. They have not. They have definitely not. They probably haven't. I'm going to have to pull up on those places at some point. It's time to start shitting on the other soul singers. You know what I mean? Exactly. Running their name through the mud. I'm in my own land. Well, whenever we have a musician or recording artist on the show, we have a segment called Sync Talk where we talk about the world of syncs, not like in the bathroom, but a digital synchronization of your song on a commercial or a movie. I wanted to talk to you about that, but also you're sort of in a rarefied air type of artist that might get... some corporate privates that you don't tell nobody about so i'd like to first i'd like to know a little bit of those right okay if you have any uh any fun tales in that world man so i just got booked to play this like chick-fil-a corporate there we go oh yeah that's what we're looking for that's what we're looking for yes i think um it's pretty humbling you know the fact that i that i was on a stage with Chris Stapleton in Garth Brooks. I mean, it was silly. It was like a country R&B sandwich. Oh, shit. Shit. That's actually, that's fucking crazy. That's really serious. It was in Nashville. I'm not sure what the venue was. I mean, wow. I mean, I literally got up there. I played four songs and I got off. I mean, probably the shortest gig.

i've ever played in my life yeah yeah well you know if the gig if the gig is short and the money is long everything's fine and also all the honey mustard you can eat so yeah how could you lose did you did you get to build with garth like did you did you hang with him meet him i wish it was it was like super quick i mean like they were kind of doing their own thing and I literally got up there, I played some songs, and then hopped in the car and went right back to the hotel. You told the helicopter, keep it running. Keep it running. I won't be long. Did they request certain songs from your catalog? They did. The amount of money they were willing to pay, I'm like, hey, you can... I'll play Jonas Brothers songs. I don't give a fuck. You guys just tell me what time I got to be there. I write a whole new album. How much time do I have? I'm going to do this little thing. I will do Morgan Wallen covers. I will do whatever you want me to do. Easy. Okay, okay. There is a line. There is a line. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Okay, okay. So how much did Chick-fil-A pay for that one? Man. You don't have to answer that question. Yeah, right. The check cleared, and it went to the bank account, and it's in there just having a good time. It's chilling. What a great diplomatic answer to that question. How much did Chick-fil-A pay for this corporate gig? They wrote a check, and a person who worked there signed it. I gave that check to my bank, and now the money is just having a good time in my business checking. The Journey of the Check by Leon Bridges, the new album in stores. Okay. Well, then let's get into the sink. So that is a good tale, a positive win for everyone. The bad side that we like to explore with the world of sinks are when maybe you had to do a little commercial gig for someone you were going to get quarter mil for this Chick-fil-A commercial. You got outbid. Something didn't work out. Or maybe a check that you had to say no to for personal beliefs, like if, you know, you didn't like that a company's politics or something like that. Man, I haven't really, I guess, come across that. I guess if you did a Chick-fil-A gig, then, you know, you're pretty much good to go. No, the crazy thing about them is that they pretty much, like, shut down, I guess, I think it was Broadway or something, to where, like, at a certain time you couldn't buy alcohol. Oh, wow. Which was pretty wild. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, I mean.

growing up with that shit is closed on Sundays. They mean business with that stuff. It's real, it's real, real Southern shit. But I mean, with sinks, we've heard, we've heard a couple of great stories from people that like, you know, they were vegetarian and asked to do KFC and they lost out on $250,000. Wow. Stuff like that. Most of it apparently is chicken base, though. I think we've covered all the chicken restaurants. Yeah, by accident. But, I mean, you've had some big commercials and I'm sure some movies and the whole thing. Yeah. And luckily, you know, the people that kind of... facilitate these certain gigs for me, they're able to kind of gauge which one doesn't go against my personal beliefs in a way. Speaking of nothing, I heard a story, a friend of ours, I think was in Austin, and he said that he saw you walking down the street carrying an espresso cup. and a saucer. Nice. Like it's a to-go beverage. Can you confirm that this is some behavior that Leon judges might fuck around and be doing? We like this. This is cool. Because it's very cool. Yeah, that's definitely some LB behavior right there. It's player, you know? That's how players... The pinky is out. You're carrying, you're walking down the boulevard with a nice espresso, holding the saucer underneath it with the other hand. You know, a nice little lady walks by and the sunglasses go down. Right, right. They said to go. You know, I didn't know I could take that. I know you guys said to go, so I just did that. You ordered it to go, but you said for here. And then you said, I wish you would stop me from stealing your fine china. Right, right. Blue bottle. I like the idea, though. I like this idea. Because you see sometimes the coffee cup, but not the espresso, because it's a quick drink. A couple of follow-up questions. Because the espresso, do you drink it straight? Do you do a little sugar increase?

No frills, you know what I'm saying? It's just straight to the point, straight up. You just do a plain Jane espresso. Plain Jane espresso. You sip raw. Okay, follow-up question. When you're done with the espresso, if I were to go to your house and I open a closet, would just hundreds of espresso cups fall to the ground like a waterfall? Or number two, the better answer, as soon as you take your last sip of the espresso, Do you just throw that porcelain glass onto the sidewalk and shatter it, and you just keep walking? You know, I just kind of pack it up and take it as a little souvenir. Ah, that's nice. That's nice. I like that, too. I like that, too. Because you probably stay at some of the finer hotels and resorts, you know, in this beautiful world. You know, and sometimes you want that. You know, you want the Ritz Paris ashtray. So when you were recording your album here in L.A., that was at Gold Digger's studio, right? It was, uh-huh. So when you were here recording in L.A., is the weed better here or in Texas? Man, at that point, I wasn't getting into the weed. I recently started kind of getting into edibles and stuff. This recent tour I did, we weren't able to step outside our COVID bubble. What else can you do with smoke weed or eat a lot of food and drink? The thought of being on tour and not being able to have people backstage, the fun parts, seems pretty challenging. Not when you have an edible. If you take enough edibles, if somebody knocks on the door, you start crying. That's true. He was just fine being alone. What's our milligrams that we're up to nowadays, Leon? Oh, man, I'm lightweight, man. Nothing above 10, man. That's cool. Hey, I'm in the same as you. I'm no more than 10 as well. I like to still be coherent, you know? Yeah, yeah. You got to put the words together. Exactly. You got to spit game, you know? Yeah, of course. Of course. That's something that Jason, no drug could help or hurt Jason's game. It's loss. She says she loves intellectually stimulating conversations.

Okay. All right. I got you. All right. No problem. I got you. I got you. I can't help you there. I can make you like a quesadilla. Right. Actually, speaking of quesadillas, you got a little taco collab on the streets right now. And speaking of L.A. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Home state. The restaurant here, the little Tex-Mex spot. Chris and I ate there a couple months ago, right, Chris? Remember that? Yeah, we did. I've been there, yeah. They have a great queso and chips, but you have your own Leon Bridges taco. Got the taco, man. So much like your presidential playlist, is this something that the team worked out, or did you have a lot of input on this culinary adventure? I wasn't super hands on with it. You know, it was kind of, he's like, if you could tell me what is in the taco, cause I have no idea. Right. It was, it was, it was kind of a situation they, um, you know, they, they put in front of me and I was like, gave the grin light, like, man, this is, these are ingredients that I feel, um, reflect Fort Worth, you know, in a way. And, uh, And we went with it. Texas is known for its own brand of Mexican food. Do you prefer that? Is that because that's what you grew up with? Like you prefer that to Mexico or even LA? It does spend a lot of time in Tulum. You never know. You know, I love Tex-Mex. But I actually think Cali-Mex is a better version. If it's not that, then I got to go like straight up traditional. Mexican food. I'm glad you're paying homage to the Cali Mexican. We do it right here. Yes, indeed. Do you cook at home or are you hands off there too? I can. I can. I'm capable of cooking. Do you have a closer dish? You got a nice little Fort Worth ting coming over? Is there... The one thing that you can make that's just like a home run? Well, I make the things just cook for me. Okay, so you're like, here's my Amex number. Right, right. There's a Whole Foods right around the corner. Go nuts. I want you to have fun with it. Yeah, you do whatever you want. It's on you tonight, baby. I'm not doing dairy right now.

Okay, good for you. Good for you. So other than music and wearing clothes, you outsource everything, and that must be great for your mental health. Absolutely. I'm learning a lot about Leon, and it's making me – I'm down. He's my new shaman. Like this is what I want to – I need to get good at something first. So maybe I can learn to play guitar. I'm 39. I still have a few good years left. And then maybe I can really – because I'm kind of half-assing my outsourcing. But I feel like you've really figured out how to outsource the right way. Yeah, you have to outsource someone who does the outsourcing for you so you don't even have to think about it. It doesn't even happen. Yeah, then you've really achieved nirvana. All right, Leon. Fun brand of questioning. I hope you enjoyed this podcast. I agree. Thank you. This is light work. That was fun. We'd love to hear it. You're leaving on tour soon. We'll come see you somewhere. Please do. Let me know. Appreciate your time as always, man. We'll talk soon. Always good, man. Have a good one. All right, man. Later, you too. No one knows Who cares? Let's get lost