399. - DJ Fat Tony

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Tuesday afternoon. I just got off the tennis court. I feel like I might have a Rafael Nadal style abdominal tear. If you have any remedies for that, Jason, let me know. The backhand was too powerful today. Something's going on down there. Abdominal tear. This is a common bottom injury. Are you icing it, resting it, elevating it? I am doing that. The rice method? Unfortunately, my abs might not be quite as defined as Rafa's, so I think it's like maybe it's – I don't know if that means it's an easier or harder injury to get, but I'm feeling something on my left-hand side, obviously where my power comes from as a lefty. Just wanted to kind of – Level set before we start podcasting that I am dealing with a sports injury. I do have a lot of remedies for them, but they don't fit into your sobriety schedule at this moment. I'll try to think of something else, maybe a good book, a nice cup of mint tea, who knows. You have left the South. You've returned to the beautiful state of California where you kind of feel the most comfortable. How does it feel to be back after just a couple days of eating Q and talking crap? Breathtaking. Love it. Absolutely loving it. Came back from the airport, bay swooped me up, and then we went straight to Pasadena to visit our friend Davide to enjoy some fine Italian cashmere. The Ghiaia store. It's a different world over there. You know, it's a different world over there. Davide lives in a different dimension, and it's one that I am both jealous and fearful of. A different dimensione. Yeah, exactly.

But I wanted to talk about a few things that are going on before we get to our guest. And I know that this is kind of hitting you. a little below the belt just because you're such a Billy Eichner guy. But bros did bomb, and Billy is blaming us, Jason, the straight community, for the movie failing. But then right before we started recording today, I saw a tweet from Variety. Breaking, breaking. Hashtag bros nearly featured a $30,000 butt rig operated by two puppeteers. Billy Eichner says, we were going to shoot a rim job moment, but then the White Lotus beat us to the punch. So we cut that. So you want, Billy, you want me to go see your movie, your gay movie. You ain't got no rim jobs. And like, what kind of gay movie is this, dude? Like I thought this was, you're talking about this, like you're revolutionizing the film industry. This is something we've never seen before. And I mean, I just don't. I don't know, Jason. It just doesn't seem that compelling to me. Do I want to spend $50 to go see this movie if there is no rim job featuring puppeteers? Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of trying to keep the Jim Henson guys, you know, keep a little dough in their pocket. It's been a tough time for the puppet industry, as we all know, and we've talked about it a lot on this show. But, yeah, I mean, in my opinion... you know i don't see why we can't have make a better one make a better make a cooler one make a funnier one just just do a more rim job yeah your challenge is to do a better one you know what i mean and i think mike white would love to be topped not not like that i mean like like top like christopher i'm sorry like beaten you know what i mean and then and then The bar gets raised, you know what I mean? And then we get more gay films. We get more explicit gay films. We get NC-17 Marilyn Monroe style. But I didn't know if you were in a rush to kind of get over to IPIC, order a 12-piece, and kind of settle into this, or if you're going to wait for it on VOD. I initially heard some interviews with him at first, and he was sort of... It was before the film had come out, so he had high hopes, and he was sort of...

talking about the more higher concept selling points of the film it's not just like hey judd apatow made this you know he every movie he makes is fucking amazing and this is no different and we had a lot of fun making it a lot of fun writers and you know whatever but then it started getting a little kind of a little too preachy preachy of like did you guys just make a regular comedy movie or Do you now believe that you're changing the world? The problem with our society, Jason, and Kanye West has suffered from this now. is that everybody thinks every little thing they do is changing society and shifting the paradigm, and that is the problem. I do want to talk about Kanye next, by the way. You made a movie, and it didn't go well, and you're lashing out at the straight community, and if the movie had some celebrities in it, maybe we would see it. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what happened in central casting, but I don't think it was... I know what happened. Billy thought he was the celebrity. That's exactly right. That's exactly right, and he fucked up, and he's learning his lesson, and now he's going to have a tough... time for the next couple years until he uh you know writes a book or rebounds from this but i'm not i'm not that worried about billy yeah straight straight people should have gone out to see this movie more but it's i don't know if it's necessarily their fault i think it's just nobody's going to go like the only movie that did well theatrically i mean this is probably not True, but in my small world, it was Top Gun. That was the only real smash box office hit. And also, in my recollection, the only film that did anything but bad in the theaters. You have to have a movie that feels like a video game or a roller coaster in order to sell tickets in 2022. Post-COVID world, it's... No one's going to see, like, I can't wait to check out the dialogue on this film, whether or not it's about straight people or gay people kissing. No, I disagree. I think that you can go two ways. You can be blockbuster garbage shit, or you can be full-on, like, art house, like, art film, and people will go see it. But this is in between, and that's the problem. It's nothing. It's just nothing. It's just like a mid-rom-com with guys you sort of recognize from cable TV.

And that's the actual issue is that it's not enough. Can you name an arthouse film that did well in theatrical release? I mean, I guess there's a couple of those A24 joints or whatever. Well, the scale is different. You know what I mean? They spent $30 million to make this movie. It's not going to make the money back, and it's not going to be critically acclaimed. You've got to pick one. You know what I mean? If you're going to bomb at the box office, at least get an award or be up for an award. But this checks none of those boxes. I think that's the issue. And also so many films when they're factoring in the theatrical release of like, okay, the only way this is really going to get a full ride and we're going to put bucks behind it, you know, like B.J. Novak vengeance style is to, number one, like this movie is good. It has stars in it. And it has the potential to make its money back. That's great. But number two is like, will China watch this? Will India watch this? Yeah, for sure. Global. It will be a worldwide success. Whoa, okay. Many of the country's revenue streams that they're depending on to make their kind of third and fourth quarters. being gay is not even legal in those countries, let alone being able to show a rim job or two guys kissing. Yeah, this movie ain't going to hit over in the Middle East. Yeah, the only thing that's going to hit is some kind of stick on your back in a town square. I don't think it's illegal to be gay in China, but they definitely don't love it. They're not going to promote it in theaters like they would a Fast and Furious title. That's for sure. We have a few minutes before our guest joins us. I don't really even want to talk about Kanye West because I don't care. And it's just like people don't learn their lesson. Like this guy has done this shit for like three years and everybody kind of just forgets. But I don't remember who told us this, Jason. Somebody on the inside told us that his goal was to be in the press every single day. That's what he wanted to do. He wanted to be infamous and be in the press every single day. And if that is his goal, then he's accomplishing that. And if his goal is anything else, he is failing miserably. Shitty goal to have.

But a success, I guess the other person that comes to mind with that same goal would be Donald Trump. And Kanye West has billions of dollars that he has seemingly made legally that can be taxed by the government. And he owns in his possession, whereas Trump may or may not have all that. I don't think Kanye – actually, I disagree. I don't think Kanye has that much money. I think he's got money, but I don't think he has as much money as people think he has. it's he spends too much and it's like all i mean you saw when he was trying to like even his catalog it isn't worth that much it was like kind of crazy when those numbers trying to sell oh they're predicting what his catalog would go for if he sold his masters yeah because there's so many writers and like the whole thing it's like obviously it's good bread but like five or ten million dollars a year ain't shit no it's not shit For somebody who says to be a self-proclaimed billionaire, right? Yeah, and also to do things that you – I mean, I don't think he – I don't care about mental health. I don't care about any of that stuff. I think it's just like you're torpedoing your career, and whether you're cognizant of that or not, that's on you, chief. It's insane. To send that shirt down the runway is insane, and you know there's going to be blowback. I don't care how fucking drunk you are. You know that holding hands with Candace Owen at a fashion show is going to cause problems. People are going to be upset, and I just don't care if there's mental health. I don't care if he's off his meds. Why does anybody have empathy for this? I don't know why anybody has empathy for this guy. Who cares? How many times do we have to learn our lesson? Well, because, I mean, have you heard Gold Digger? That's what I'm saying. good music in, I don't know, 15 years? No pun intended. Just kidding. Gold Digger is the least favorite Kanye song ever made, in my opinion, but I like him as an absurdist artist. If he really is just going full anarchy mode and saying fuck it, then I'm into stuff like that because nobody else does anything like that, especially people who have the means to sort of create whatever world they want to create, and enough people are...

brainwashed and drinking the kanye juice to sort of do his bidding and it's funny and cool until it's not but none of it's that's the problem none of it's hurting people yeah it's it's just like you can't really well until he starts hurting good people well that's the thing it's like making fun of the guy at adidas not good music it's fucking funny you know what i mean like it's it's all funny and to a point no it's not funny and it's just like when you're pushing it this far on this public of a scale you're gonna encounter some fucking pushback chief you know what i mean because it's also like There's no good music. The clothes aren't like nothing's good. There's no good output. And that's usually as as as we've learned many times in this country, we will forgive Michael Jackson because we like his song so much. You know what I mean? Like like we don't we don't care what you do as long as you're talented enough, usually. And I think this is a case where he's just he's gone too far down the hole. You know, there's nothing there's nothing there's nothing left. And I, for one, am happy to see him go because I find it all annoying and I never even bought a pair of Yeezys. So fuck you, Jason. You actually did, but it was store credit. But I mean, I think to use your reference to Michael Jackson being a Chicago person, he, in his mind, I thought I was untouchable like MJ, but he's really more like an R. Kelly situation where it's like you are untouchable up until a point. And you hit that point. And I don't think Kanye is going to spend the rest of his life in jail like Kells. No, no, no. People can only take so much. A friend of the show, Gabriella K. Johnson, she had a very well-written criticism of why a lot of people would consider it to be a bad idea to make a shirt that says white lives matter yes and you know very measured very respectful of him and his art and very understanding of his position and and he you know he flames her and she's a you know she's a beloved woman that truly is so nice and every everybody we know is just like she's the best you know but that's not even the that's not you you gotta like bro she's a civilian

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's true. It's just like you know what's going to happen when you do this because you have millions of fucking incels that are going to ruin her life on Instagram. You know exactly what you're doing, and it's like she's not a celebrity. She's an editor. She's a stylist. She's in the public eye, but she ain't a celebrity. She ain't even. You know what I'm saying? It's not an even match. It's not a battle. It's an extermination. Yeah. He should do a debate with Gabriela and Kanye. Put that shit on versus. I would love to watch that. We know who's going to win. All right. Well, let's get into our guests now. We're all ready to go. DJ Fat Tony coming in all the way from across the pond. He's a legendary DJ. Mate. 80s, 90s. DJing for lots of crazy celebrity clients and people like Prince and Madonna and the royal family and the Beckhams and all that. And just like Chris Black, he has a history of enjoying substances a bit more than other people. So there's a lot to chew on here with DJ Fat Tony. And also I come from a DJ background myself and we're both a couple of Anglophiles and we enjoy gay baiting. So this should be everything you could ever want in an episode of How Long Gone. Let's give him a jingle. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs.

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Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. How are you getting on the Queen's past, Tony? You all right? Yeah, I'm good. You know what? I live right by Buckingham Palace. Oh, wow. You know how much compassion I have for our monarchy. The Queen was an amazing person, and I just loved everything she stood for. The rest of the family, they can go and do their own thing. But, you know, for me, it became a real inconvenience because every road was shut. You could not get a taxi, you couldn't ride a bike, because they just closed all the roads. And I live right by the Houses of Parliament, so it's just that whole area is a no-go. Tony, how often are you DJing still nowadays? Probably about three or four times a week. Three or four times a week? Jason's dumbass can't even get it together to do it twice a month. What's the secret? I mean, like, last week I was in Ibiza, Milan. Paris. Tomorrow I'm off to do something for Meta Facebook for three days in the countryside. Then I've got three gigs over the weekend. Yeah, it's great. You know, I'm more busy than I've ever been. With sobriety or just over the, or like post-COVID? No, I just think, you know, for me it's been a gradual build over the last 15, 16 years when I got clean and sober to rebuild my life. But now I've got it to a point where

I say no to things I don't want to do, and I say yes to the things that I love. And that's the difference. And I really think that the more you say no to the things that you don't want to do, along come the big yeses. Do you get what I'm saying? Yes, that's right. And I'm glad to know that you love Facebook as much as we do, because that's kind of something that I really love. I'm glad we have that in common, Tony. I'm more of an Instagram man. I love Instagram. You're right. They own it. Well, I think with the DJ, everyone has their price of like, hey, do you want to do this wedding for this footballer that you hate? And you're like, no. And then they're like, I'll keep writing zeros on the check and eventually you'll say yes, right? That's how it goes. You know, most footballers weddings that I've done all their children, I kind of quite like. You know what I mean? There's a real beauty in saying no. I say no to like so many things. I get offered gigs in Saudi and I'll say no to that because I don't stand with it. stand with their human rights. They're trying to get a lot of us to come over there to Saudi Arabia. I haven't gotten the invite yet, which is kind of feels disrespectful, but I guess that's just where we're at. I'm sure. You know, they're offered a lot of money. You know, it's hard to believe in what I do, otherwise there's no point to it. Back in the day when you were less than sober, would you say yes to everything? I would say yes to everything, but I would never get to anything. You get the deposit, and that's about it. I'm glad that you've moved past that, and you're able to now get booked for gigs and show up. I think that's growth. You know what? It is growth. It's personal growth. You know, I think I've missed one gig in 16 years. Damn, that is very good. You know, last week, like, for instance, I do this party at a weekend called Full Fat, and the whole thing is a brunch, and we sell out months in advance. There's 800 people on every waiting list for every gig. And the week before last, I had to go to Ibiza to do something for TV. And that's why I was doing Melanjo and Versace with Paris Hilton. And I left there. I had Hermione and DJing next to it. It's amazing. And I left there and went straight to Thingy and didn't do my brunch. Oh, my God, the hate mail that I got. The amount of people that were calling me, you're nothing but, you know, I'm going to say the word, you're nothing but a cunt. You didn't turn up. You couldn't be bothered to show up.

And it's just like, hang on, guys. I'm working somewhere else. Do you know what I mean? And so, you know, for me, I kind of get it. People have traveled a long way to come and see you play and expect you to be there. But at the same time, it's like, is Ronald McDonald at every McDonald? Do you know what I mean? And also, it's like, you know, when it's like, oh, you're too good or like you're whatever, you know, you're not. And it's sort of like, who's the joke on? Like, I would rather hang out with Donatella and Paris than you who works, you know, a finance job and hangs out at the pub. It's just a certain level in your career where people expect a certain level from you. And, you know, if you don't show that and they've traveled a long way, they kind of feel like they own you a little bit due to social media and Instagram and everything else that I'm on. Yeah, they kind of feel that they've got a right to say what they want to say to you. Yes, yeah, we experienced that with this podcast. People love to tell us when something's good or bad, and I'm not really interested in that kind of feedback myself. There we go. That's my man. You get it. I know that you don't do drugs anymore. You said you're about 15, 16 years sober. Speaking of brunch, what's a good drug for brunch? Like back in the day, you're DJing these brunches now, Stone Cold Sober. You're having some cold brew probably. I'm not stone cold sober. Oh. There's a difference. No, no, no, no. I'm sober. I don't drink. I don't take drugs. I get high off music. I get high off. You know, for me, music is the best drug you'll ever take. You're not a DJ. You're a drug dealer. No, I am a drug dealer in that sense. Because you know what? For me, it's about, you know, there's a difference between. Going somewhere and listening to music, right? And then there's a real amazing thing if you go somewhere and feel the music. Feeling music, as soon as you learn to feel music, it takes you on this whole different ballgame and different level of being where you are. You actually feel where you are. Suddenly your phone stays in your pocket and you're looking where everyone else is. And you're in the moment. And I think, for me, I get really high very quickly.

off of music and that energy. I feel the energy on the dance floor. If people aren't having a good time, I don't have a good time. I feel that energy. Oh, yeah. As an addict, I pick up, I can have been in a room of 3,000 people and the two negative cunts that are in the room that's slagging me off, I will zoom in on. And I, you know, I used to allow that to control where I went. Do you know what I'm saying? I need to learn. All right. So I'm sober as well. It's been almost like six years. And I have yet to learn how to get high off the music. And I'm going to need some tips because I think that would help me a lot in my journey. Are you into music? Do you go to clubs? Do you actually? Look, I can be in my house and I can just literally ask my son in every room to play a certain track. And that track will transport me to the most happiest place on earth. That's feeling it. That's not listening to it. That's actually feeling it. That's feeling the emotion in it. When you actually absorb that energy and that, you know, it evokes this whole part of our brain that, you know, the euphoric recall of times gone by. And those levels of being high come straight back. Yeah. And that's what music does. You know what I mean? If we're there and we're wondering what everyone else has got in their pocket or what they've got at home that we can get off them. or you're there trying to, on the hunt for something else, you're not going to absorb the music. You're there for another reason. You're disconnected. You know, it's like if I smoke crystal meth, right, my cortex becomes unattached at the front. So I no longer am attached to the rest of my brain. I have, like, you know, that's why I'll start doing, I'll have uncommon sense instead of common sense. Sure. In that environment, if you're... They're for another purpose. You're not going to be connected to what you're there, the primary purpose, to guarantee. Okay, well, there's two things that you're doing at the club if you're not connected with the music, and that's hunting for tail or doing drugs. And, you know, I'm not doing either of those things, so I could focus on the music. Yeah, you do. Just literally get your ass in the middle of the dance floor and just get absorbed by it. Stand by the fucking street. I have another problem, Tony. I don't think straight men should dance. What do you think about that?

Yeah, it's hard on the same page as you, really. Straight white men. For our listeners at home, when he said that he was pointing directly at us through the Zoom, I felt. I was. I was like you two. The reason they do really bad dance is because they're not connected to the music. They come up to what everyone else is thinking about them. Yeah, you're right. Maybe I just need to unlock. There's a very simple sentence that sums it up for you. Free your mind and your ass will follow. And you clearly haven't freed your mind. Exactly. Damn, you're... All right. You know what I'm saying. Because I do have incredible rhythm, Tony. That's not my problem. If I had a dollar for every man that told me they had incredible rhythm, I'd be fucking a millionaire. You know what I'm saying? That's in the story of my life. Yeah, I've got incredible rhythm. You're just going to have the time of your life. No, you ain't. There was no rhythm in the process for 30 seconds now with my house. But, you know, just get absorbed by it, man. Okay. This is all great advice. This is all great advice. I'm learning from a pro. Jason can never help me, you know, and he's in a similar position, but he's just not offering this kind of advice. He just hasn't lived enough life, maybe, is the issue. Yeah, speaking of people who have said they have really good rhythm and last 30 seconds, I was listening to an interview with you before in preparation, and you were sort of referring to maybe a sexual partner's body. The word was kind of a culinary term. It was a type of seafood. Does that sound familiar to you? He wasn't a sexual partner. Basically, I was in Miami. No, I wasn't. I was at the Londoner in L.A. And I was by the pool. This guy kept messaging me on Grindr, the app, and sending me pictures. And basically, there's a guy on British TV who is a judge. And it's very much like Judge Judy, but a male version of it, a very British version of it. Hitting the gobble, hello, hello. And basically it was him messaging me. And he had this amazing six pack. So we were calling him the prawn because, you know, it's like you keep the body and throw away the head. You know what I mean? Because this is like the most ugliest fucker that ever walked in. You know, and that came up with a conversation. That was the violent car ride.

I had never heard that, and there was something. It really worked out well. The body tastes great, but you take that head off and throw it away. Throw the head in the bin straight away, mate. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You were in L.A. on Grindr. That's right. I think you were at the London Hotel, which seems a little too on the nose for you, Tony, I must say. Charlie didn't start me about that trick. I got caught out so many times. Yeah, that was a sex addiction trick. are we recovering from sex addiction as well? Or is that something you're just still grappling with? I'm now in a loving relationship for the first time in my life where it's completely transparent and I've been in it for 18 months and there are no secrets. And that is the secret to knocking that stuff on the head because as soon as you allow a secret to manifest within any relationship, whether it be a friendship, whether it be a sexual relationship, whether it be a person relationship with your family member or whatever, as soon as that's Secret manifest. It kind of turns into something else. And then once we get away with that secret, we allow other secrets to come in. So before you know it, you've got chaos. So for the first time in my life, I'm not in active sex addiction. I'm an addict. I can have sushi on Monday and have it Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday if it's that good. Yes, yes, yes. Then it becomes a problem because I've had that much raw fish that... My vows can't take it or whatever else. Whatever I do in an addictive way becomes a problem. You'll find a way to ruin sushi is what you're saying. Oh, so I can literally ruin anything. That's a good – me too, actually. That's cool. I ruin my friends' good times every day. What is the – so you're in a relationship now as you're a little bit older. I guess what I'm asking is what kind of man can put up with you? Someone on the same level, really. Okay. The guy I'm with I met 11 years ago. First of all, I used to live with my friend Boy George in a place in London called Amsterdam. Yeah. And there's a really famous gay cruising area called Amsterdam. He's been there for hundreds of years. I don't know what you're talking about, bro. That sounds crazy. You nodded when I said it.

So basically, I was living with George and the deal was when George was away on tour, he didn't know what went on, he didn't care. But when he was back in his house, he didn't want me bringing guys around or anything like that, which was a good enough deal. Anyway, so this boy was arranged to meet me and come over that day. And he travelled two and a half hours to get to meet me. Been talking to him for ages on his lap. And he turned up on a stone. I'm really sorry, but George is back. He can't come to the house. But I know a really good fucking bush on Hanson Beach. So off we went to this bush and had sex in this bush. The next day I messaged him and I was like, hey, do you want to go after some lunch or some dinner? He told me to fuck off. Funnily enough. And that was it. I didn't see him for 10 years. I didn't see him for 10 years. I was in a relationship with my life boyfriend for eight years. Just over a year and a half ago, it ended. in a very, very, very, very bad way. And this boy, I bumped into this boy via a friend and started chatting to him. He needed help with other areas of addiction and stuff. So I kind of started helping him. And then I didn't know it was him. And then he explained to me what had happened. And I was like, wow, it's you. And from that moment, we kind of just got to know each other on a different level. And the reason he can take me and understand me is because he's been for it all himself. You know, when we met his mum, we both sat down and said to his mum, she wasn't happy about the age difference at first. She was kind of like, oh. And then when she realised I had the mind of a 16-year-old, everything changed. And, you know, we said to her, oh, we've got so much in common. We've both had syphilis three times. We've both done this. We've both done that. You know what I mean? We're on that level where there are no secrets. It knows everything about me. And I've never had that in my life where I've gone into a relationship with all my cards on the table. I don't mean to pry, but what's the age difference? Oh, so he's 30. I'm 56. Okay, so that's a considerable age difference. That's 29. It's a little bit of an age difference, but it's not really when we're...

I'm younger than him mentally. Sure. I stopped aging the day I started doing drugs. I stayed at that age ever since. You look amazing for a man of your age, though. I just wanted to add that. Thank you. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm very impressed for years of destroying yourself that you've rebounded like this. Are you in the gym? Are you just getting facials? What's the teeth story? For me, at the end of my addiction, I had one tooth left at the bottom of my mouth. I pulled the rest of the tooth out with screwdrivers and pliers and sticks. I had a thing called meth mouth. I thought I had animals living in my mouth. I was completely in my mouth and stepped here. It took a lot of fucking courage, first of all, to go and get that sorted out. To go to a dentist and say, look what I've done to myself. I remember they removed all the broken teeth. and they had to like operate on me so much and put new bits of bone in because of the disease that got into the bone and everything else that had happened. And then I remember them taking my teeth out and I remember saying, okay, can I get new teeth now? And they were like, oh no, not for a year. And I was so devastated. Even though I'd walked around like it for four years, I was so devastated when I couldn't have new teeth. I went on the black market and found a dentist that would do it. And I, you know, old ways, right? And I went off and found this dentist and he basically did loads of work for me, kind of like against the grain. And then I had to have it all taken out a year later. But that was okay because it got me to that point. Do you know what I'm saying? Sure. Now for me, it's about looking after yourself. You know, as I say, I don't self-loathe anymore. I think that shows in everything I do within the way I feel. You know, I'm a happy person. Yeah. 28 years of addiction. I didn't drink water for like 18 years. You know, literally I thought that there was water in Jack Daniels because it said to spill water on the bottle. And that's not a lie. That's not me making it up. I thought, okay, I don't need to drink water. I'm good. I'm good with that. You know, my liver and everybody else, I just come out unscathed in that sense. And, you know.

As I said, I don't look like a 56-year-old apart from my gray hair. Gray is sexy now, you know. We've accepted that as a society. It's different. You know what I mean? I'm a daddy. I'm a hot daddy. I know who I am. I know who I am. You were saying that there's no secrets in your current relationship, and that's the big difference. Does that mean you guys are in an open relationship, and you guys communicate about that, or no? We're completely monogamous. If you see my boyfriend, you'll understand how hot he is. I'm really happy with where I'm at with him and where I'm at personally. And that kind of, I just don't, you know, I'm in such a good place. I truly believe that I've found what I've been looking for for the last 40 odd years. Beautiful. It really is. That's beautiful. I'm in such a good place with it. There's never any questioning of why, why did you act like that? Why did you do this? I mean, I go for 0 to 700 at the click of a finger. If someone's rude to me or whatever, I fly. And he handles that really well. Other people would be like, ah, fuck it, you're mental, I'm going. He's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, you know, I forget. Do you know what I mean? There's still that side of me that's still quite destructive. Instead of like, I'm a very good reactor still rather than an actor. And I think the action's getting better as I get older. and the reactions are getting less. But all it takes is someone to be rude or arrogant, and it really gets my back up. I have to say something. What you see is what you get with me, and if someone's pissing me off, I fucking tell them they're pissing me off. Whether it be a shop assistant, or whether it be, you know, for instance, I, yesterday I was in a shop and I listened to a woman, hey, have you finished? And she ignored me. And I was like, you fucking rude bitch. There's no reason to ignore people. Instead of saying it in my mind, I vote for it. We need more people like you, honestly. You brought up shop assistant. I have read a little bit about you as well. I know that you like shopping. I read an anecdote that you were like, yeah, I would make money on the weekend and I'd be broke by Thursday. Obviously, there's drugs, etc., of course.

What are we buying at this point? I have excuses to shop now. I have to look good for work. When you suddenly go to a level of like your career goes to a different level and you are in the public eye or you are doing certain things, you can't keep wearing the same fucking pair of jeans and the same shirt. That doesn't cut it. I'm 56, right? There's a million and one other DJs out there who are much younger than me. trying to bite my ankles. I need to look the bollocks. I have to feel the bollocks. You know, that's a part of what I do and who I am. So it's a really fucking good excuse to go out and buy what I want. You know, I'm also very blessed in the sense that because I work in fashion, I would rather go into a shop and buy what I want than wait for it to be gifted because that's where I get my high. I get high from going in and saying, okay, I really want that and buying it. Do you know what I mean? Me too, Tony. Throw it in the bag, baby. I know exactly what you're talking about. And I'll have it in three different colors. You know what I mean as well? You know, I live in a really nice flat and I've got like lots of bedrooms that aren't bedrooms anymore and they're now walking wardrobes. And sometimes I get to this point where I think, okay, I'm not wearing any of this. We have a lockup full of stuff as well. Let's just give it all away. So we go to that point and we... We give it all away to the local. It's a really good charity shop in Jimico, where I live. They get it all. Wow, we've got to go check out that charity shop, Jason. We're missing out on some nice trousers. Over the years, from the beginning, how many times have you completely lost and regained an entire new wardrobe of clothes, or are there pieces that you've kept your entire life? I don't have anything I've kept my entire life. In the 80s, I lost everything I had in the 90s. I lost everything I had in the 2000s. I lost, you know, in recovery, I've lost. Also had stolen or given away. You know, I'm very, very, when it comes to things, you know, they're very momentary with me. I like, I'll get something and I'll wear it for a couple of weeks and then I won't wear it again. Or back in the 80s, I lost my house. You know, I got the dream home, bought it, this massive rental deal, bought that house. I only had that house for seven months. And it got me for dust.

Because I was doing too many drugs. And I left with one thing, and that was a mirror. But I did the coat off of it. Took that mirror, left everything else. And the way I looked at it was, okay, well, I can get that again. My dog passed away six months ago, and I'm getting a new dog. And I was on the phone to the breeder before this, and I was almost crying talking to her about looking at the pictures of the puppies. You know, she was like, we're talking about how much it's going to cost, blah, blah, blah, and all that stuff. And I was just like... That doesn't matter. For me, it's another chapter of my life, another 12 years, you know, that I'm going to have unconditional love. And you can't put Christ on that. Things that come into my life are for a reason. And they're here because they're really important to me. Do you know what I mean? I don't really surround myself anymore with idiot people or any of that stuff. Everyone who's in my life is in my life for a reason, a good reason. Not because of... what they can do for me or what I can get from them. You mentioned back when you were doing cocaine, it was sort of, it was like the opposite, like when people take Ritalin and it calms them down. You said that sometimes cocaine, you would take it to sort of calm you down because you suffered from something called gay DHD, which is another phrase that I hadn't heard before either. Most people, ADHD is very common, you know, but mine was gay DHD, so it was much more dramatic and much more over the top, you know. My ADHD sometimes is so off the scale. So if I drink coffee, anything that would stimulate anyone else has the opposite effect on me. So the majority of the time when I was taking cocaine, it would suppress. Most people, if you give them a line, they go fucking bonkers. With me, I would go inwards, not outward. It would always go in. People would be like, oh, I can't believe that you're calm. I was never calm. If you drink a bunch of alcohol, does that make you go crazy and then you need a little Coke to kind of level back down? Is that how it went? Always, yeah. It was always rollercoaster. I would drink alcohol to calm the Coke down, to take the edge off things. By day three, when my mind's completely gone and my whole body's gone numb and I'm tingling or I feel like my skin's about to fall off.

I would always think, okay, now's the time to take this, and now's the time to take that. It would always be this concoction that I always thought was kind of like balancing me out. There's nothing to balance out. It was all on the floor. DJing on a three-day bender, you would say that's when you kind of reach the sweet spot, which I guess is sort of an analogy of what you're just saying there. When you're three days in, What is that DJ set sounding like? In your mind, you think you're killing it, but does everyone else agree? Are you actually killing it? Three days in, I would actually play the best set because I wasn't thinking about what everyone else was thinking about me. And I was there, and I was just doing it. I'd be fucking tripping out my mind, and the middle of the records would tear these flowers, and the insanity would take over. But that was when I really just didn't give a shit, and I would really go for it. You know, then there'd be other times when day two or day three that I would be so crammed that I couldn't even put a record on because I just was so paranoid that I was scared to touch the needle and all of that stuff. So you're able to DJ, and this was playing vinyl? Yeah. So you must be truly the world's best beat-matching DJ because, I mean, like every DJ now in 2022, the thought of mixing two records together on vinyl seems like the most difficult thing in the world. You were doing it after... I learned on vinyl. That's what I learned. That's how I learned my... You know, beat matching, not always. Do you know what I'm saying? It was always about throwing the right record on at the right time. I had a knack for going... You know, one thing I've always done is read that energy off the dance floor. Do you know what I mean? It didn't mean I always read it right. I always read it. Yeah, vinyl was really... You know, people go, oh, yeah, you can't beat vinyl. Yes, you fucking can. Carry a USB stick to the cones, you fucking box to the vinyl. You can beat it. You know what I'm saying to you? But, you know, DJing on a laptop is not DJing. That's just been a whine-tack. I agree. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming because Jason preaches that as well because there's nothing cooler than showing up with a USB stick and just jumping right in.

Of course, I have a bag that I take to every gig with me with about 30 USB sticks. I know what everything is on those USB sticks. I know what folders they're in, what files they're in. I will go through them. I'll pull out people that I... I don't know what I'm doing. Just shut the fuck up. For me, you know, people that use the sync button or they use Tractor or any of those things, fuck off. Fuck off. We have Rekordbox now. Use Rekordbox. Get into it. It makes your life easier, but also what it does is there's no excuse for using tractor or sink buttons or rip or, you know, any of those fucking things where you're not doing your job. You know, people, the other thing that pisses me off about DJs when they, I'm just at home sorting out my set for tonight. What the fuck are you sorting out? Do you know what I mean? What are you sorting out? Do you know what I mean? You've got your tractor on a stick, go to the job, rip the crowd, feel the energy, and you will know what to play. Don't be saying, I'm going to play this after this, this after this, doing a tracklist. Fucking hell. Well, you know, it's like, that's not DJing. That's selecting music. There's a difference. If you're on a dance floor and you're not feeling the music, you walk off that dance floor. I've seen DJs have a packed dance floor, go on and buy four records in and be completely empty at that dance floor because they're not connected. They're not feeling the energy. They're not giving the energy back. They have a game plan and they're going to stick with it no matter what the crowd is. Because they're not a DJ. That's your job. Your job is to read that crowd and make them dance. That's why I've been doing my job for so fucking long. Because I'm not scared to play something that some bedroom wanker that sits at home. There's a magazine called Mixed Mag and they have a lab series. And I did this when I did the documentary for them. I did a lab session where we have all people coming to the studio. And it was their most viewed ever lab in the history of Mixmag. And the amount of wankers that wrote, oh, my God, my three-year-old can mix better than him. You know, I call them bedroom bryans because they're at home with their keyboard right in the ship. They've never played a record in their life. They've never been anywhere in their lives. You know what I mean? What they want to do is tear you down because they're so fucking full of jealousy and bitterness. You know.

And you're always going to get them. And they're the ones that always think they know best. They'll be the one that will tell you vinyl is better than them. Yeah, you can't play a vinyl. Shut them in. Fuck off. You're fucking 20. You didn't even know what vinyl is your ass up. You know what I'm saying? And you also have no problems playing the same song multiple times over a night as well, right? Well, no, of course not. Why would I? You know, depending on where I'm playing, it's like... Certain things, certain gigs. Say I've just done Ibiza all summer, I was doing high. You know, I didn't play multiple songs over and over again there. It was a different kind of set. If I'm doing so much party, it's a private party, and I read the crowd and I think, this is the right moment for that record, and I played it two hours before, I'll fucking play it again. Because you've got to remember, there's more than one fucking mix of everything, right? And, you know, it's what you do with that track, whether you loop it, you know, there's so many things you can do. as a DJ to make it more exciting than the first time you played it. Well, yeah, and that also reminds me of your no-kay, no-play situation, which is also, I mean, hearing your stories of you DJing back then, it makes me so envious of how going to the club now is just so pathetic compared to what it was back then. It was a free place where you just scream at people, smoking, drinking, drugs, sex. No clothes. It's just, that's what a real club experience should be. And it's so hard to find that nowadays, especially, I mean, it's impossible in America. Well, you know, you've got, you know, you've got these mythical clubs like Bergheim in Berlin and all of these places. So many generations, younger generations think that they've really found the mythical place. They never went to an area. They never went to Palladium. They never went to any of these amazing venues and parties that were on before. You know, save the robots in New York. All of these mental places that we could go and we could be ourselves and do what we wanted to do, regardless of race and sexuality, those venues didn't really give a fuck about that stuff. You know, you could go and live your life and be, and as you say, smoke drugs, dance, have sex in the toilets with 20 people. You know, that doesn't happen anymore because there's too many rules and regulations. And we live in a woke world. God forbid.

I think you see two people going into a toilet now. You've got 20 people that will go and say, excuse me, there's two people in that toilet. Lucky there's not 20 people in that toilet. It's really bizarre, you know, the way things have changed. And I kind of just think, you know, it's got a lot through the drugs that have changed before I remember that. We've done most of all of the drugs that you have done. Obviously, you know, in the 80s, the purity was a lot different. It was a lot better, but we never got a chance to have a Quaalude. Have you had a Quaalude yourself? I love Quaaludes. Quaaludes are amazing. The closest thing to a Quaalude was a Rohitno. Okay, let me write that down. They stopped making it because it had become a date break drug. Oh, yeah. You can still get it, but it's got a different name now. You know, and they kind of changed the recipe on it, like they did with loops. They got rid of loops, you know, and they got rid of tomato pan. Diasipan, in those days, it was jelly forms. It had a liquid form inside, like a little egg. And you would, like, just, you know, you could fight it and just suck the insides out. Amazing. But, you know, my favorite of them all was the diazepam that you just squirt up your ass. Suppository. You just squirt up, because if someone's having a fit or a seizure, you squirt up their ass, and it hits them instantaneously. It goes into the bloodstream. I.e. why everyone used to put E up their arse. I'll put this up your arse, let me blow this up your, you know, whatever. Stevie Nicks miss, you know, all of that stuff. You know, that's because it goes into the bloodstream quicker. So there were, like, times when somebody who couldn't get Rohindl and it would be squirty diazepam. And I mean, a number of times I'd have, like, all my mates over to my house as straight boys and I'd be, like, squirty fucking diazepam and straight boys arse. Just so they could go out and get off their nuts and do what they did. You know, those days are gone. Thinking about it, talking about it like that makes me miss it. I miss that, the scenario, but I don't miss the outcome. Yes. I think that's very healthy to miss those parts of your life. I don't know where it goes. I don't know where I'll end up, but I always end up. You've got a century. Always. I want to ask about the book.

You know, I was aware of you for years just from being on the World Wide Web and being a fan of all things British. But I think the book really, you know, you've got your jacket blurbs are from Tracy Eamon and Kate Moss, which makes me want to buy it. And I'm sure it works for other people. You wrote this book with someone, right? Like you had a little help. I did an article with this guy called Mikey Ennegan who wrote it with me. And we did like a series of stuff in different magazines about the 80s and the 90s. And then I did a documentary for Mixmag about my addiction. Yeah. And so many people were coming to me and saying, oh, you need to write a book. And I was like, well, I've wanted to write one for ages because there was so much more to my story than addiction. And also I wanted people to know how the fuck it suddenly went from that to that. And I lost everything, you know. There's sections in the book that are about abuse, abuse for four years as a child that I never ever discussed and brought, you know, never talked to anyone about those parts about, you know, HIV and AIDS and the epidemic and all of that stuff. I never discussed because I don't need to discuss it. Or so I thought. So, you know, I wanted to put it all in there because I kind of just thought people need to understand what we went through and what we go through. They see you on Instagram and you're posting all this funny stuff. There's a reason I post that funny stuff. It's because that stuff comes from fucking pastoral. Yeah. I wanted to put it in the book. And, you know, we started writing the book and it took two and a half years to write. Me and Mikey, who wrote it together, argued every fucking day. He'd come to my house and do my fucking nothing. You know, and so he would come back and he would have changed words like jolly. Where the fuck have I ever used the word jolly? Do you know what I mean? I went and put Jolly in there, turn that fucking up. And then we'd go off and not talk to me for two weeks and they'd come back. And, you know, it was a real process. And throughout that time, when we started writing the, I started to do the abuse chapter and I got really ill. I thought that I had COVID. I thought that I had food poisoning. But I hadn't. What it had done was, like, just discussing that stuff that had brought it to the surface.

That night, I woke up to get up with the worst fever. I had the worst fever dreams about a guy that abused me. And what it had done was it brought it all to sense that I'd suppressed it for over 30 years, not discussed it with anyone. So I had to go off and go do trauma therapy for a year, like intense trauma therapy, so that I could just cope with writing the rest of the book. Because there's something in there that, you know, my life was really good before I was writing the book. You know, I got to a level where my career was amazing. I was doing all these incredible things. And I would wake up at 3 a.m. and I'd think, what the fuck have you done? Why have you put that in the book? Why have you told the world about you being HIV positive? Why have you told the world about what you did with that person? And all of that stuff. The world's going to hate you for it. You know, so I would lay awake from 3 o'clock in the morning until 9 o'clock in the morning. By 9 o'clock, I'd want to kill myself because that's how my mind works. Then I would get out of bed and I'd be like, oh, what was all that about? You know, and so the process went on. And the book's probably one of the best things I've ever done in my life. I was about to win two awards for it. There's a magazine called Attitude and a magazine called GQ. I've won the book of the year with both of them. You know, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? What the fuck? You know, every day I get so many messages. It came out in May, the book, in hardback in England. And it has already gone into reprint already in hardback, which they weren't going to do until next year because it's sold so many copies. And it's continuing to sell every day. It's, you know, it's kind of, it's remarkable. The amount of messages that I get from people that are opening up about not only their addiction or the loss of a partner or the loss of a son, but also opening up about abuse. They're opening up about where they've been accused of rape.

You know, there's so much in my book that it's a book of honesty and no one writes honest books. You know, my publisher was like, no one writes a book with that kind of honesty in it. They kind of like always will only tell you what they want to tell you. You know, there was one review where it said the only person that comes out of this book in English is Tony. But there's a real superpower in it. I just wanted to do it to be honest. And, you know, Boy George said to me, you don't have to sell everyone everything. And that was probably the biggest argument I've ever had with him was, yes, you do. I think it's really important that people understand where I come from and what I've been through. My life is so amazing today because it's not about the things I do, it's about the things I've done through. So do you have, has the publisher already said, you know, what we got round for book number two? You know, we got paperback next, which comes out in May. I'm writing three or four new chapters for that. Oh, nice. We're doing a chapter, the first chapter we're writing, which is starting at the moment, is called, Oh Shit, I Forgot, which is all the things that I forgot to put in the first book. And then there's another chapter called, It Brought to My Attention, because everyone wants to bring something to your attention when you write a book. Oh, do you remember this? Did you do that? Yeah. Actually. Yeah, that's the one. So yeah, that's that. And then it comes out in the States on the 11th of October. Now, did any of your mates come to you and say, really, bro? You had to air me out like that? Or was everybody okay with it? What I did was I changed everyone's name in the book. There's no stories of anyone. There's no stories on anyone. Every story in the book is important in its own right. It doesn't need to know. No one needs to know who it was. There's one story about... probably one of the most famous actors in the entire world, who's still alive, and his daughter. And, you know, it's not important about it. If I thought who that was about, that would be front-page news all around the world. That would detract from what my book was about. That would make that all about that book. And people, you know, it's not important. The story is what's important. It's not who took part in the story, apart from me.

Do you know what I'm saying to you? Yeah, no, I like that. I'm the really common denominator in all of the drama. You know, and that's why it's so, I didn't want to do a Kiss and Tell book. It's too easy to do that rubbish. And that's not who I am. You know, I gave the book, first of all, to Kate Mossery. Kate is one of my oldest friends. Because I wanted her to understand what type of book it was. Because when you say to your friends, I'm writing a book, and you know everyone's secret. They're all like, you know, fuck, what is he going to put in there? And I wanted her, more people out of anyone, to read it and to understand it. You know, it's her favourite film. She loves the book more than anything in the world. And, you know, I used to hear people do interviews and go, she loves that book. But she actually fucking loves the book. And she gets everyone to read it. She sends it to everyone. You know, because it's not what people thought it was going to be. There's stories about Concord and all that shit in my early life. There's not stories about so-and-so did this and so-and-so did that. It's not like that. It's I did this and I did that. Do you know what I mean? Any scandal is based around me. There's nothing in that fucking book. Trust me, we don't need to have anyone else's scandal. Well, lastly, we're both big fans of the Smiths over here for many years. Any Morrissey stories in that book or any personal ones yourself? I love Morrissey. I always love Morrissey, but fuck me. Sort yourself out, Morrissey. End of story. Do you know what I mean? Jesus Christ. He does need to sort himself out. I would agree with you on that. I've got real close friends that are really close with him and, you know, that aren't talking to him anymore. And they're lifelong friends. Really? It's kind of, you know, mental health, mental health, man. You know, who am I judging someone else's mental health or where they're at or what they wish you got? Yeah. You know, as far as it's all very easy to be serious, they sort yourself out, Morrissey. But, you know, who knows what else is going on? Do you know what I mean? Good point. Because he's a fucking genius. The best of all time. Yeah. What was it like back in London, you know, in mid-80s, King Street, everyone's getting into the Smiths back then when you first heard it? What was it like? It was amazing. You know, when Morrissey came along, he broke the mold, you know, just that charming man.

era of that whole time of watching him and Colt Strub and all of those people that really didn't give a fuck about their sexuality and the way they performed. You know, we didn't know at that point in time, we didn't care what sexuality Morrison was. You know, we didn't care. No, what we cared about was the point we looked out of the old eyes and the flowers and all that stuff. That in itself was more of a mystery than... Does Morrissey suck cock? Do you know what I'm saying, Jerry? And that was what that time really was about. It really wasn't about who you slept with or who did what. We had that going on. We had tabloid papers that would do that for us, bring out the worst in everyone, everyone's worst secrets. You know, and it's like, you know, we are very, very, very blessed to come from a time where, you know, it's like yesterday I posted a picture on my Instagram of Paul Weller holding my book. Fuck man, it's Paul Weller, you know. I've known him all my life, right? I've known him since I was 16. But it's still Paul fucking Weller. Yes, I do. And for him to probably send me it and say, well, babe, I've got your book. It blows me away. I'm very blessed to come from an era where we didn't have social media and we didn't have it in the palm of our hands. So we all had to get up and graph. So every one of those people, those heroes, the heroes for a fucking reason. Because they're fucking good at what they do. They're not good at what they post. Anyone can be good at what they post and make themselves look good. But, you know, in fact, from that era, you had to be fucking good to get where you got to. And that's why they're legend. Well put. Well put, Tony. Thank you for joining us today. Yeah, the book comes out in a week here in America. If you're anywhere else in the world, you should be able to get it now on hardback. I can't wait to read it. And you've inspired, I feel like I want to read this book, and then I also want to write a book as well, because it looks like it feels so good to get it done with and enjoy this part of your life. Honestly, you know, I don't think I've ever had anything better than being given the first copy. Yeah. It makes me cry, you know. Very quickly, I did a Zoom, and I was in Ibiza working, and my publishers, I did a publisher's Zoom.

while I was away, and they had the copy of the book on Zoom, and I was like, what, is that the actual copy? And they were like, yeah, I was like, I'm coming to London tomorrow, can I come and get it? And they were like, we've only got one copy here, and I was like, can I come and get it? And they agreed to give it to me, and I remember getting off the plane and going to collect it. And I opened the pages, and I'd forgotten who I dedicated it to. I dedicated it to my dog, and she had died three weeks ago. And the publishers had changed it to, because I dedicated the book to unconditional love. And to my dog Taylor, who never judged. And who never judges. That's what I wrote. And then finally to my mom and all the women of the world and other addicts. But they changed the wording from instead of who never judges to who never judged. And I cried for four hours solidly. And, you know, it was probably the most amazing experience. Write that, get it out there, and have it in hardback in your hand, because there's no going backwards that's done. Yeah, and to have a team that took the care to go in and make that edit after your dog had passed to make sure, like, that means that they weren't just, like, some money bullshit, let's get it done, but they really believed in it. That's amazing. And now when you go to these, you know, fancy, you know, parliament parties over there at Buckingham Palace, when somebody says, oh, what do you do? You don't have to say, I'm a DJ anymore. I'm the 70 times best-selling author. That's right, dude. Exactly. And you better buy it and read it. We'll buy it. We'll buy it. Thank you, Tony. DJ Fat Tony, thank you so much. Thank you so much, guys.