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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Jason is here. Chris is here. Still riding the wave off of Heert Yonkers. The dust is still settling over here. What's up with you, Chris? There's a lot to talk about today. Oh, is there? I didn't realize there was a lot to talk about today. I guess there's a lot to talk about every day. Well, I mean, I know that there's different Netflix shows that you want to get to. That's right. You're a big Twitter user. That's true. How do you feel about Twitter notes? I mean, it's dumb, of course, but what's more dumb, the problem is that Twitter... It's such a beautiful vehicle for expression of the written word. The only thing they need to introduce is editing. That's the only thing people really want, but like every other application on God's internet, they choose to introduce features that no one asked for and no one wants instead of giving the people what they want, which part of me appreciates and part of me loathes. I don't know how you feel about it. My favorite thing, though, is the... Writing community, turning it into a moment for them to complain about not getting paid enough. That's my favorite part of the whole thing. I guess the only argument that they might have is...

We're creating content that Twitter is then putting ads on, and we should get a taste of that, but it is what it is. I don't think that writers should be paid for tweeting unless other people want to pay them for it, or unless you're tweeting actual ads, which I'm, of course, happy to do if anyone wants me to. Jason's Twitter has recently turned into strictly an ad-based platform. I will teach every writer how to make money writing on the internet. Write about products. and then tell them where to buy them, and then an agency will send you a wire transfer. And unfortunately, some of those agencies still send you a paper check in the mail, but let's not talk about that. Yeah, no, no. I mean, it's a classic misstep, and hopefully when Tesla honcho Elon Musk takes over, he'll correct all these wrongs. His purchase was... Approved by the board, but I'm sure deals of this magnitude do take... So the Elon deal is back on? The Elon deal seems to be back on. From what I understand, the board has approved it. I obviously... I'm not in mergers and acquisitions. I don't know financially what this actually looks like or the timeline for the actual takeover. But stay tuned to How Long Gone, and you can find out all about the Twitter takeover. Don't worry. I don't think anyone is really coming to us for that information. No, that's true. I did watch a very cool news show on Netflix last night that apparently is an attack on the left. According to some news outlets, it's called... snowflake mountain and they take like i don't know why but everyone on it is kind of fat so they take like 10 nothing nothing snowflakey about them they're more of a more of a snowman in terms of portliness so they take like 10 or 12 maybe uh snowflakes which are you know people in their early 20s that think everything should be given to them for free and they shouldn't have to work and they take them to a remote wilderness location and drop them off, and then these two kind of like outdoorsy white guys lead them through wilderness training without the modern trappings of the lives that they're used to, where they have to fend for themselves. And I don't want to give anything away. I know you're going to watch every episode. They give them dry bags, and they're basically like, take only the essentials out of your large suitcase.

and put them in the dry bag, and they all do that, and then it cuts to all their suitcases in a far-off field, and the guy blows them up with a button. So basically this show is if Survivor, if your attention span can't handle Survivor or Naked and Afraid or any other show that's just like this where people get dumped into the wilderness and have to fend for themselves like how they did in the Ice Age or whatever. Except the only difference is everyone is somebody that will do bad and you want them to do bad versus a person who will do good and you want them to do good? You want to see some growth from some of these guys. Liam is a nice chubby British guy with rosy cheeks, and I feel like he's going to really turn his life around. That's my guess. Again, I'm only one episode in. Okay, well, that's good. So we might want to watch them. to shed their snowflake wings and turn into more of a merman. We're looking for a merman situation. That's exactly what we're looking for. But I highly recommend it. It's much better than Stranger Things or something like that. Yeah, I'll gladly watch that over Stranger Things anyway. It's a good television program. And I had a big... You know, kind of media week this week, Jason. Yeah, you've been in the news. You've been in the media. But I'm very happy to say that my strategist column, Ask Chris Black, has returned. From the ashes. From the ashes. I mean, I know it's kind of a bummer that it's announced the same week as the cause cover dropped, but I just want to be clear. Those things are unrelated. Yeah, New York Magazine, bringing Chris's... calling back was negated and then that is now a moot point because of that cause cause exactly crying on a skateboard that's right sitting on a skateboard that's right yeah that's right um let's move on uh but the um so so what are we gonna what do we are we gonna get kind of same as it same as it ever was that's right chris blackholm are we gonna add any

2022 flair. Well, it's going to be a longer format because it's moving from weekly to monthly, much like your favorite kind of DJ residencies, to put it in language that you understand. Maybe you could move it over to Twitter notes if it's going to be more long form. You'll get some more eyeballs on it. Your Twitter gets more hits than the New York Magazine, right? Yeah, that might be true. But yeah, so I've already got a nice batch of questions in the hopper to answer. It'll be coming to you live in like mid-July. So this is a Q&A format that you're comfortable with. Well, this isn't going to have me getting into a fist fight. Somebody could email you in a question that would really boil your blood like a crawdaddy. I don't want my blood boiling. That would be bad if that happened? You wouldn't like that? I would not like that. Chris, are you doing emails right now? What's going on? I feel like you're not present. I'm just trying to explain to you how this stuff works. The questions come from... users but they're they're filtered through a they're filtered through an editor okay okay okay so you don't get you don't get raw you get selects i get exactly yes exactly to put it in terms that you understand yes thank you for bringing it back to me um i you sent me a picture from the gym yesterday that i want to talk about speaking of men's health it looked like you were laying on the ground and you had a stack of bumper plates on your stomach bumper plates on the chest and then a weighted medicine ball on the stomach okay and this is to you said i'm relearning how to walk is how you is how you phrased it is that is that can you explain more but i don't understand yeah so i'm doing a bunch of like because of the knee injury over hyperextension of the leg blah blah blah it kind of is throwing off my hips and my ribs aligned you know the way they're aligned So I'm doing a bunch of weird, rudimentary, bizarre exercises and movements like that to help bring my alignment back. So you're going caveman mode to get this shit aligned. Pretty much, yeah. Because of the way that I was overcorrecting my knee injury, that was making me walk differently. So I kind of have to unlearn that walk and then go back to standard walk. So yeah, 100 pounds.

Like 425s on the chest. I'll put a little towel down. Okay, thank you for that because COVID is still raging in Glendale, so thank you for that. I put the John-dom down. That's the jeans condom for our listeners at home. And then a 30-pound medicine ball on the stomach. Okay. And then you basically just kind of close your eyes, listen to some binaural beats, and then you just breathe into the back of the rib cage and not... not the front, if that makes sense. No, no, that does make sense. This sounds really interesting. I think I might have to come over for a session. I think you would like it. I think you'd like it. Because we've talked about this before in terms of the attention span and the meditation stuff where it's something that I run towards and it's something that you might resist a little bit. And then I likened your needing to sort of be... physically held down by like a large strong man to to really get you to relax and calm down don't bring do not bring monkey pox into this right now not to you know four small creatures could hold down each one of your limbs and then after a while just like being my small dog you know you you realize there's nowhere out there's no way you can wiggle and then you finally submit to your your heart and your energy to christ And that's kind of what I wanted to talk about on today's episode. Okay, so I'm not only relearning to walk, I'm also giving my life to Christ, our Lord and Savior, and I'll be baptized in some kind of... dirty steam room water at a Glendale Equinox. That sounds great for me. If you want to do regular training, that costs a lot of money and I can't really afford it. So if you do kind of like the half religious, half training, it's comped. But there is a price that you have to pay. I do have to kind of join the church and everything. So yeah, you have to participate in communion and tithe 10%. So it actually kind of equals out to the same price as a trainer. I don't look at the numbers. I don't want to see it. But you're not getting the emotional weightlifting that you're getting from Christ. Christ. Bingo. Okay. I understand. All right. So, yeah, I got the ball in the stomach. I got the plates on the chest. I do that for five minutes. And then at five minutes, I move the ball from my stomach on top of the plates on the chest. So you got 130 coming down right onto the chest. You breathe into that for five minutes. Your legs kind of start going numb. You know, like parts of your body are like twitching. It's very intense. And then when you're done, you feel like you.

uh you know a baker's dozen of post nut clarity i love i love a post nut clarity speaking of post 13 nuts speaking of 13 nuts we do have a guest today uh austin's uh howdy is joining us uh charlie martin and will taylor a band i quite like uh their uh album true love came out in 2021 i was uh listening to that pretty seriously They are from one of America's worst cities, Austin, Texas, so I can't wait to kind of get into that and ask them if they know any of the chicks that work at the Reformation down there next to the Sun Life. They're having a tough time down there, aren't they? I had a nice Sun Life Wolverine yesterday, Chris. God bless, baby. All right, let's talk to the guys from Howdy. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together, a cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, how it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a Tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because Taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs, handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it. in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app.

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Charlie has my back. Charlie has my back. Like R-O-O-F-I-E apostrophe S? R-U-F-I. Okay, so it's not spelled like Jason's favorite drug. It's spelled like a woman's name. Drug of choice. Yeah, Jason's drug of choice. It's like the Abuela Rufi and not like Bill Cosby Rufi. Yes, that's correct. What's the specialty of the casa? Like a sleepy little enchilada? You wake up the next day, you don't know where you are? That's right. It's not so much Tex-Mex. Yeah. Here, Charlie, you got it. Yeah. Let's send it over to Charlie for this one. I mean, they got the, like, the heady stews going. They got the, like, the real guisada, the fucking... It's a wet spot. Crazy stew. You get, like, a guisada burrito. Dry, heat, wet food over there in Waco. Homemade tortillas. The breakfast platter comes with a sneaky pancake. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold the fucking phone. So you're saying you're getting... Are you getting a pancake Christmas style down there in Waco? You have to stir up by the bite. Stir up by the bite. Right, right, right. So you do a cut. and a dip into the red and the green salsa, you don't pour it all over because then it gets all soggy. I obviously love our Mexican brothers and sisters in the cuisine they provide for us, but pancakes is not really what I'm looking for. Well, that's where the text comes in when the Tex-Mex. That's why it's called Sneaky. So you order a traditional Mexican breakfast platter, and they put a pancake in there just because you're going to want a pancake kind of thing? Yes, and it's like each plate is like an individual. plate. There's no set. It's all loose silverware. Rustico. The pancake comes on a smaller plate. It's like a little modest pancake next to you. Just wonderful dry chorizo. They actually do a really nice dry chorizo as well. I'm into it. I like stuff like that. That sounds like a pretty extreme breakfast if I'm being honest, Chief. How does that set your day forward or does it kind of slow you down a little bit? It slows me down heavily.

So Rufus closes at 3.30, so I go at about 12.45. Okay, so it's a breakfast for lunch. A brunch situation. But we can stop talking about Waco in every office. No, no, no, no, no. That would be great. It looks like you have some great architecture behind you, though, like a beautiful door with some hand-laid glasswork. Those windows do not look cheap. That is nice. That is nice. That would be irreplaceable. that's a word that's like often used in our house and it drives me wild because everything is just holding on by a thread it's like you know 100 okay it's 100 years old and it's all about to break i'm about to break we love texas here on how long gone and and for sure that's that's not a joke charlie do you live in austin still by choice i don't i don't yeah we both were there for like 11 years um and then my wife is in law school and uh at washington st louis so we I'm a, I'm a Midwestern now. Okay. So you, okay. I like, I like what you did here though. So you, you married a chick that's going to make a lot more money than you, which is always smart. Always smart. Yeah. But she is forcing you to live in St. Louis. So it's kind of a, I mean, St. Louis is an up and coming zone though. Yes. It's very up and coming. Honestly, honestly slept on. It's kind of the opposite of Austin in a, in a wonderful way. It's like huge infrastructure, great big city, not crowded. Too crowded, too crazy. And bad infrastructure. Yeah, the drive-thru at Jimmy John's. You're saying that Austin wasn't built for this. It can't handle the load of all the tech billionaires kind of coming to town. I mean, I can't get too technical on it, but yes, I think that that is the case. Don't get me started and fire up. I'm not like a civil engineer. I know a few people. A friend of the show, Adam, some hoodlum, he got a crib and went and moved to St. Louis. He's just like, I'll just buy a... place here and it'll make money and I can afford it and I don't see why not. You know, this beautiful, cute neighborhood there. Honestly, the spot we live in in St. Louis feels like an art museum compared to where we were at in Austin. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I've never been to St. Louis. I have my friend, our friend Jeremy Kirkland lives there, and he's like, oh, he's from there. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah. But I just, I don't understand what happens there. You know what I'm saying? Because it's, I don't know what the culture is. He's got two kids, bro. That's what he does. He goes to the park. No, I know.

Has an IPA. Watch a little golf. I'm at the zoo most days. I'm at the zoo. Some cold cuts. Just have some nice kind of cold cuts on a hot St. Louis day. In a sandwich or not. So when you meet the other kind of St. Louis dads and you're like, yeah, I'm in a band. ST Aliens is what you might call them. ST Aliens. Are they like... cool bro or like do they believe you or do they need to see like a pitchfork printout or like what's the vibe because it's like i feel like you're not really associating do they assume that you're in like the church band or like oh which congregation yeah i gotta be honest i haven't really i haven't really tapped in I, uh, he's been working from home, mostly stated myself. I'm, I'm childless. So yeah, it's just, Oh, okay. Okay. School. Yeah. So I just, you know, I'm the child. I thought you both. Okay. I say Charlie might be giving off more dada energy than you, William. I mean, I don't mean to, that's no shade. That's no shade. That's coming from two, two non-fathers. So we're, we're jealous. It's the nice artwork versus the Goodwill artwork. That does change the conversation a little, a little bit, but I, So you're not, so did you move to St. Louis raw dog, like no homies? Like you just were like, yeah, they got it. They got in. We got to go straight up. Yeah. She got the scholarship. We were like, let's go. Um, we had like four friends and they're all super tight. So I count myself lucky. I, I, I, I don't take too much, you know, I'm kind of by myself type dude. Okay. So you're good to go. I'm living well. I mean, we do so much socializing on tour, so I get it in. I get home, and it's just a nice time with Jono. I do a little socializing on tour, too, if you know what I mean. Yes, sir. We're all fucking lots of different chicks and cheating on our partners on the road, baby. That crazy podcast line. Yeah. I'm only saying that because she's at yoga right now. Otherwise, she would hear me through the wall. And, like, bang on it. Don't worry. She's not going to listen to this episode, guys. Don't worry. Yeah, she doesn't care about us. She doesn't care about me, either. Because, you know, she definitely doesn't care about you.

When we're on tour, I kind of have to act as the de facto tour manager because Jason is getting lit. You're getting less lit. I'm sure you guys have a staff and stuff, but who is the more responsible one of the duo? I have a guest, but I want to hear from you. I mean, we really ebb and flow with it, honestly. It's a work of art out there, yeah. We both have our roles. Oh, so you guys trade off on who's getting fucked up. Yeah. Who has the more kind of... drug and alcohol dependency issues out of the two of you guys that's a hot question for sure it's a hot little question because chris you would think that it would be me but you know chris has sort of been toppled by that and now i have it's true so i'm the stepfather that had to step up and uh Someone's got to snort all these powders if Chris can't do it. So out of the two of you guys, who's kind of doing more of that? It really depends. I think I'm more of like a this guy, whereas Charlie's more like this guy. This is an audio podcast. Let's use our words. Rollercoaster ride is myself. You're going up, you're down. You have a lot of dynamic range. Yes, yes. I'm losing control or I'm not. And then Charlie's kind of more like. Going 45 in a 50, like... Slow and steady wins the race. But for a long-ass time. Yeah, I can sustain it for sure. Okay. So, Charlie, he's not going to win any sprinting award medals, but he's going to see the end of that marathon, and Billy might be passed out in the bushes. Yeah. I wish we had a better answer for you. No, I think that's a great answer, and I appreciate it. It's a good stepping stone into a common question that we talk about here where we do a lot of ranking, you know, top this, top favorite artists or whatever, one of them being top three favorite prescription pills, dead or alive, play ludes are on the table.

What do you guys got? Oh, gosh. What do you guys got? I wish I knew. You can do it separately or combined. I don't fuck with it, but I used to be a bad boy. You used to be a bad boy. Okay, let's get into that. What do you mean by bad boy? No, like literally like a child that when I was like 15, I think the only time I ever fucked with like a pill for fun was like, I think my brother, me and my brother did Oxycontin and went to see like Transformers. And it was... It was amazing. I was going through a lot. My parents got divorced. I was kind of wild as a young kid. And then I got my shit together and started playing sports. So your rock bottom was... Going to see the 315 Transformers off Half on Oxy? Megan Fox. I mean, honestly, that's good. Megan Fox, Generation 1. That is good. Yeah, 15-year-old looking at Megan Fox going... Well, luckily, OxyContin, the beauty of it is it won't let your penis work. So Megan Fox wasn't really doing much for you. You know what I mean? Eyes closed. Baby Charlie, go sleepy now. Yeah, yeah. It's all good. I mean, you don't want to... You don't want to jack off in the movie theater. No. That's how you catch a case. That can get you in real trouble, especially down in Texas. They don't appreciate it. Luckily, you're a minor, but still, you don't want it on the record. What about you, Billy? Gosh, I mean, I'm a proud part of the generation that took way too much Adderall at a young age. How young are we talking? 12 or 13, honestly. That's when you start to develop a problem concentrating. Yes. You know what I mean? So it kind of tracks age-wise. What I wasn't willing, or what I didn't realize at the time was that it wasn't a concentration, but there wasn't a concentration issue, but it was a will. There was no will. There was lack of will. Okay. So you could concentrate all you want, you just didn't care about these old algebra problems. Right, which is a tale as old as time. Tale as old as time. Yeah. But, yeah. I mean, I don't, like, I think I did.

oxycontin one time and i drank too much one time but damn so all right so you guys are just with i just like weed and and beer i guess a couple of wholesome boys although you are drinking out of a styrofoam cup which i have to say is is so like so texas it's so every birthday of all the old people it's a diet cup it doesn't make any sense to me so is that your is that is that your grandpappy's like logo on that styrofoam cup like what what do you mean it's actually really hard No, it is a good logo. It's kind of like Tiffany blue, like a nice baby blue, and it kind of looks like it might be like Shaq's logo or something. Jason, we should make some styrofoam cups for our next event. Yeah, a lot of the sustainable brands that we work with will love that. You know I don't care about sustainability, first and foremost, and I love branded stuff, as you also know, Jason. Like straight-up sink water. It's terrible. Terrible. So you're drinking sink water out of a reusable styrofoam cup. Are there ice cubes in play or no? There are many ice cubes in play. Okay. It's funny. I actually have one styrofoam cup because it's really nice to drink seltzer out of on ice. Okay? Down here in Texas, we drink. Early in the afternoon. Period. So you're saying that the styrofoam cup, the way it interacts with the carbonation of the sparkling water and the ice, it tastes different maybe than drinking out of the can or a glass. It dances in your mouth. It dances, and it just hits a little harder. It's a little spicier. You know, that bubble kicks a little bit. You got to water down the high-gravity hard seltzers, you know, like the serve. Yeah. The 8%. Bartender, surge in soda, please. The 8% white claws are terrifying. Surge in soda. Yeah, you guys graduated from that, though, I feel like. One day. One day. What's on the, you know, because Jason's rider is a bottle of 818 tequila and then a 12-pack of beers, not IPAs, for the.

Kind of for the stragglers that want to hang out in our green room. Yes, that makes a lot sense. I get a pack of gum. It's kind of my only contribution. And a single avocado. Yeah, exactly. Most of the cities we go to, unfortunately, don't kind of carry the level of hummus that I'm looking for. So I just choose to go without. It's easier that way. You know, because musicians always impress me because I've known so many of you freaks that can get absolutely destroyed and go on stage and play those 12 songs perfectly straight through are you able to do that now even as a father and as an elder gentleman or do you have to have a couple red stripes and then really kind of pack it in before you hit the stage I love the category of alcoholic drinks we have like swam through so much but they all kind of fall under one umbrella which is like safe and nervous um okay we're gonna expand on that billy don't worry but like long trips like yeah wear on you and like but but like alcohol is kind of your best friend out there like you just kind of have some beers and relax and it's kind of a long day like literally it's just the band who is like who are out with us who are like four of us so we all do something more than we should you mean responsibility wise you all do things more than you should okay yes and we try to get home by 11 30 you know we try to get us home by 11 30 maybe midnight which one of you which one of you guys collects the money that's the question that's right i'm like i knew it i knew honestly i wouldn't trust i wouldn't trust will with ten dollars so i'm glad that you're kind of getting those checks no he's way he's way better with money it's just like fun for me you know it makes me feel good I can relate to that. My favorite part of tour is sitting backstage before the show starts and getting the Venmo alerts of the merch. That's kind of why I do it, to be honest with you. I hate the fans. I hate the road. I don't want to go to Philadelphia. Who gives a shit?

Seeing $1,000 come in before you even touch the stage, that's God's plan right there. That's why we do it. Yeah, I'll be up there and I'll be in the green room. I'll be writing down my notes of like, all right, we've got to talk about this and then this and this. And then Chris's phone is just like, ding, ding, ding. And then he's like, I've got to go to the bathroom. And I think he's sort of pleasuring himself to the sound of the Shopify push notifications. He's pushing his little meat back. Yeah, yeah. He goes and vomits. He's so happy. I can't control myself. But no, I think that's... I think that splitting, I think that understanding the split of responsibilities in a duo is very important. And I'm glad that you guys, because have you guys been friends for like, are you guys like lifelong friends or is this relatively? Is this a business agreement only? Yeah, it's pretty much like through the band. Yeah, we met each other like 2014, started the band like 2015. Oh, sick. All right, so you guys didn't grow up together or anything, so there's no bad blood yet. For now, cross those fingers. It's never too late. That's facts, yeah. Honestly. Then we'll probably make an actually stimulating record instead of one that you can just ignore. Yeah. That'll be like our Deftones period. So you guys will start to hate each other and the music will go Deftone style, but then you'll be big is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, huge. Huge. Separate buses. We need to give them something to talk about, well, to write lyrics about. You need to have some real strife in your life. It starts here. It starts right now. We're going to break you guys down like a couple of wild horses. You guys seem too happy. All right, down and give me 20, you maggots. You guys seem too well adjusted. Oh, they're doing it. So were you in bands? You were in different bands before then, and then you came together to create this Deftones-like combo. Yes. I don't know. I came up listening to all the songwriters I was looking at were Townes Van Zandt and Dylan, real heady masters of their craft, and I was like, hell no, I can't do that.

So Dylan, Van Zandt, that's a bridge too far. Let's come down to Deftones world. Yeah, I don't know. It took me a while to realize you can just really keep it simple. And we started liking bands that made it all made sense to us. And just the early kind of DIY bedroom rock. The first time I heard bedroom pop was listening to Elvis Presley or some kind of first wave. those bands kind of made us realize like we can just make a song um and like not just do this we don't have to think about it that hard yeah like we yeah it can actually sound exactly you know like how we want it can sound bad whatever yeah like if we think it's cool like maybe it's cool you know yeah i mean you got you guys have a laptop you guys have some speakers and a guitar and some shit and you can make it work that's all you need yeah which which in like 2013 was like not a really tired narrative yet. It was almost like a new discovery that you can just make some music in your house. You're kind of right, dude. You're kind of right. It was a novel thing at one point. It's kind of one of the reasons music is ruined now because the barrier is too low of entry. I preferred when you had to spend millions of dollars in the studio and old guys had to approve, but I'm glad you guys are here and you've kind of figured it out. If we were handed a huge rock hit, I think... And we were a band, and I also think that'd be really fun. Yeah, it would be. Back when Sparkle Horse had a six-figure record deal, that shit doesn't exist anymore. Great example of a band that I cannot believe got a six-figure record. There's so many, but Sparkle Horse is a great one. That's a great one. I went to the Haim show in LA, and I'm a fan. I like the last record a lot, but I didn't really care before. I told Jason this. I was blown away. Once they did that synchronized dance routine, Chris was like, this is it. I am hooked. Also, people hating on the synchronized dance routine. That's cool, bro. Why would you not do that if you're a top 40? I don't understand what the problem is with that. It looks crazy, bro. It looks crazy. They're not mad serious. They're not mad serious about it, which is fun. They also do a skit.

in their act that was actually really funny and i was like super impressed by and i was like where it's that it's this song it's the song that has the voicemail from a guy from the album and they kind of recreate it but she does a full fake phone call with someone that you can't see where she's like planning to hook up with a guy that she met the night before and it's it's so funny it's so good but i'm like damn this is like I'm saying this because they're a real band. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, they're like a real band. This is pretty fucking good. And it's like, there's not lasers. There's not smoke. It like looks cool. Like the stage is cool, but it's basically just like these three chicks rocking. You know what I mean? There's not much more to it than that. And I do think that it's... Nothing to hide behind. Yeah, there's nothing to hide behind. But I thought it was... To do it at that level and have a few little tricks that really work is impressive to me. And Chris loves the improv. Very much so. I hate improv. I hate comedy. But they made it work somehow. We hate music, so it's perfect. I know. The old rock club we used to play in Austin all the time is now Rogan's Palace or some shit. Rogan's Palace. You mean he's sort of taking it over as his comedy store? Personal Lounge. Yes. So, yeah, I think it's like a comedy club where he hangs out. It's tough. It's just rough stuff. What's it called? I want to check it out now, brother. I don't even know, honestly. I walked by it. What's it called, pussy? Charlie has the bits, but no hard facts. So if somebody like Rogan comes in and is like, me and all my bros are going to do stand-up here every night and it's going to sell out and everything's all good, then that's it and it's done? Is there a fight? Do the musicians get pissed and try to take it back? Or they're like, it has a scarlet letter. we're not even walking in the doorway of this place because it's like a Rogan stronghold. I don't know. Honestly, I'm not too tapped in with like how the locals are feeling about it. The last few years has been such a weird time economically, especially for like live music venues. I feel like lots of places kind of died and like people almost under acknowledged it. Yeah. That might be one of the cases because I haven't heard a ton about it either, but it almost felt like a normal thing, you know? So.

Yeah, I mean, you just kind of roll with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just got back from a long tour and venues are like overselling because what will happen is your show sells out and then literally like 70% of the people come or less. So weird, man. In some cases, it didn't happen to us, but I've heard of cases where it's sold out and literally 30% of the people show up. Because like 20% of them have COVID, 20% forgot, and then the other 20% have too much anxiety to leave the house and go to the show. Yes. It's really crazy. That means you still get paid, though, right? In some cases, we get paid more. I think in Austin, it's maybe like a $375, $400 cap, and we sold like 430 tickets. That was good. You're like, we're good. Yeah, you're like, all right, cool. Yeah, but the bummer, you're selling less merch, and the bar's making less money, selling drinks, and they depend on those alcohol sales, you know? Yeah, Jason gets in his promoter bag when he talks. You know, Jason used to be a promoter, so he's only worried about alcohol sales. I love it. Not of music, of EDM DJs, so it's a little different. All about it. No, of music as well. I've booked way more shows than all you guys combined. Bands that have guitars in them. Bro, I don't know. Did you make Facebook events? I never did Facebook. Facebook always scared me. This bitch is too old, bro. That's why he didn't do it. Twitter and Instagram are the promotional tools, not Facebook. I need to try Facebook Marketplace. It keeps being recommended to me, and I'm a big Facebook lover. We talk about it a lot. I look at Facebook all the time. It's yeah, it's honest. Unfortunately, I've kind of moved on to LinkedIn because it's even more twisted than Facebook. It's the most twisted. And it's just the entertainment value is just like, well, you guys are looking at porn and Joe Rogan videos. I'm learning about kind of how to be a CEO and it's all free on LinkedIn. Yeah, it's all free on the on the great platform of LinkedIn. I'd rather be jacking off, bro. I mean, I get that. But it's really there's a lot of like truly.

God awful like CEO inspiration talk by people that I see where they work and I've never heard of it. And that's kind of my favorite genre. Yes. What about when you see it from people that you know in real life and they do one of those one of those posts? How does that make you feel? Unbelievably, Jason, I don't really see people I know from real life. There you go. When I was on LinkedIn, I saw that shit and I'd be like, bro, I can't do this anymore. You're hanging out with the wrong people. Yeah, yeah. People say that to me a lot, actually. So maybe I should take that into consideration next time I log on. Do you guys have Juul down there? Juul. Light on the tobacco use, but my wife did. But we recently went and saw her family in Tennessee, and she bought like a Juul. Because you have to see your family? I got to do a Juul? We've been passing it back and forth, like watching TV at night. It's kind of terrible. That's so funny. Damn. I know. I have this real suspicion with USB-powered smokables. Okay. Expand on that, Charles. Expand on that. I think that's reasonable. Joe needs to start his own podcast about this. Is it like a microchip into the lung situation? No, no, no. It's just the heating element. The batteries kind of freak me out if I really think about it. That's fair. I don't know, man. I think it's a little spooky, but... If I really think about it, if I really think about it, I get fucked up about batteries. Maybe there's like a steam-powered vape or something like that where we're not relying on lithium or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I think about what was that when I was like in high school. The volcano or whatever that would fill up. The big bag. Yeah, that was... I mean, that was fun. I've smoked hella volcanoes, guys. Yeah. I didn't like it. It tasted like burnt sushi to me was always my complaint. That's when you know it hit right. Yeah, it sounds like you're not smoking exotic enough, Chris. Jason, I was smoking exotic when you were booking Franz Ferdinand, bitch. Don't do that. Got him. That was crazy. That was crazy, crazy.

so where where do you guys do the best like what are your favorite american cities to touch down in where they really show you guys love it's kind of the predictable zones you know like it's kind of like the la new york la crazy pull up yeah la like really really came through this i mean it was sold out but like the crowd was like about it was where was the show guys if you don't mind me asking lodge room gorgeous spot we did lodge room as well great backstage there great green room this literally never happens at our shows but they're like there's like five people you know who like have access to the stage they're like their gut is on the stage whatever and they're like beating the stage with their palms like like screaming it was really it was hilarious like like that photo of the guy in like the 60s at the jazz club and the guys playing the sax really really intense, and the guy's pounding the stage like, ah, it's so good. You guys went killer's mode at the lodge room. I like to hear that. They need that over there. Highland Park's like pussies only, so it's nice that you guys kind of... So when you're playing one of your sweet love songs, some of your bedroom pop love songs on stage, and people are just pounding that stage, does that make you play more intensely, more aggro, or do you still stay in the pocket? Are you able to... To keep it still bedroom-y? No, I don't think the live set's bedroom-y at all, to be honest. I think that's maybe what makes it different and maybe a little surprising. We're kind of like digging in on some rock shit. Let's pick it up a little. You know what I'm saying? Let's get the tempo going. Give them their money's worth? Yeah. Unless you're spiritualized. We saw spiritualized twice in one week, and that motherfucker sits down, but he's done a lot of heroin, so that's cool. You know what I mean? I caught... our boy Dijon in LA and they're all sitting down like around like a dining room table and it's just like the most fire thing ever but I I we saw them we saw D we saw Dijon in Toronto and I was pissed off how well that worked I'm with you 100% when you can sing that well it doesn't really matter where you are on stage I was just I was just like these motherfuckers are sitting down this guy's jeweling the whole time

And it's working, and I'm not mad. Usually I would be like, we got to go, Jason. This guy's fucking jeweling on stage. I was bored until I saw him jeweling, and I was like, okay, I like this guy. We were at Coachella to see Spiritualized, and Jason's like, bro, J Space Man just came out of the bathroom, and he's got three e-cigs in his hand going on stage. Two jewels, one aftermarket. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to hit the stage. It was modded to hit harder. Yeah, it was modded to hell. He bored it out. He drilled that thing out. But I was like, but I didn't see him actually use the jewel on stage. Well, he's a showman. He's a showman. The bass player, he was jeweling. No one's really paying attention to him, but he's got to keep the pipes clean. I feel bad for the guys that are hired to be in Spiritualized. That's probably a tough gig. You're making $175 playing Coachella. I saw him in L.A. Half a drink ticket? The L.A. show, it's fucking packed. People are so psyched. Everybody in the crowd is fucking dusty-ass Marc Maron lookalikes. It's like really what you want it to be. Don't come from Marc Maron. They start the set 30 seconds in. He's like, no, no. He waves his arm around. And they've got the three backup singers, the horn section. He just stops the whole thing and just kind of stares at them. We're going to do this again, and we're going to do it right. He didn't say anything. He didn't speak into the mic, and they just started again, and then he doesn't speak at all during the show. He doesn't talk between songs or anything. So it was just like he gave them a look that they knew they fucked up, like when your mom's disappointed. That's kind of like some old-school musician energy, where you play it perfect or you leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked it. I liked it a lot. He might have one of those silent dog whistle things that only his backup singers can hear when they're out of line. His drummer only, he gets shocked like a dog collar when he's off beat. What did I say, Chris? Charlie, so you fuck with Maren that hard, bro? I do, man. He's on kind of a date. Well, I don't know. It's been so many years. I'm just along for the ride. I think he's really feeling himself these days, which I think is...

really funny. And I think it's funny. I think, you know, you, you liked him more with, with more, uh, a lack of self-confidence and self-worth. And now that he's got a little swag sauce, it's, it's, it's, it's weird. Well, it's like weird. It's still, it's still like a little tortured, you know, but he's just like saying it out loud. Like, you know, I'm doing the best work in my life. And I just, I think it's precious. You're proud of him. It's sweet. I know what you mean about the feeling yourself and it being odd because I live in his neighborhood. We live in the same neighborhood. I was listening to an episode a week or two ago and he was talking about how he had a good day. He had sex with a girl and then they walked to Baskin-Robbins to get ice cream. I was listening to that while I was driving past the Baskin-Robbins, which is across the street from the grocery store I go to. I'm like, And I'm just like Mark Maron walked here and he walked right after he had sex with this person and got a scoop of mint chip and ate it there. And like, I don't want to, I just don't want to know about Mark Maron. Fuck it. You know what I mean? I'm glad that he's doing it and he's still having sex that he's proud of. With chicks that have cats. No question. Like no question. He's doing numbers with like a 32 year old with a cat. If she's got a Godspeed, you black emperor lower back tattoo, he's painting that shit, bro. Damn, I got to Google search Godspeed, you black emperor back tat and see if one of those exists. If one of those exists, because that would be a fucked up tattoo. If there's one of them out there that Mark didn't hit, I did. You know what I'm saying? I love those guys, man. I'm so glad they're back. yeah i don't mark is a tough one for me but i think he's like i want to approach him because we've seen him in public you know but i also think that like i want to i would never approach a celebrity but i want to approach him because i know how mad it would make him when a guy like me approaches him versus a chick that works at the local like coffee house you know what i mean yeah this is some local this is some local yeah this is local shit

This is local inside, but we live in L.A., so it's the world stage. Everyone wants to know about it. It's true. When you're talking about what's going on in Waco, some people are like, I'm fucking with you. Ask me about Chip and Joe. Just ask me. Just ask me right now. Chip and Joe. That's a coffee shop that sells chips, too? Exactly. Yes. Yes, that's exactly right. Wait, Chip's like in the British sense or Chip's in the American sense? Chip and Joanne Gaines. Oh, Chip and Jo. Oh, of course. Oh, of course. You guys are both interested in property, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm interested in Gaines. Chris is interested in property. So do you see Chip and Jo and their fucking 18 kids around town or no? I weirdly have a connection to their family a little bit and just through friends we met here. I've seen Chip. But he drives like a Honda Accord. No, bro. Those guys, they're the richest people in Waco. For sure. I don't know what was going on. It was literally like a 2011 Honda Accord. It's a sensible car, y'all. Do you get a free subscription to Magnolia, their monthly magazine, or does that not come with the zip code? It's on every stand for sure. What's the grocery store? What's your local kind of? H-E-B. Big, big H-E-B love over here. Heb. Howard E. Butts. Damn, you got a grocery store name, Butts. That's crazy. It's just a wonderful grocery store. The price point is just incredible. And they're like in-house products are really fire. just a good old family spot spot are you seeing are you seeing any what do we have any other kind of local waco celebs that you could spot at the heb or is it just kind of chip joanna and their babysitter there's some like will and there's like some really funny like tiktok bands who are here um what There's one band in particular, Surfaces. God damn it. That sounds like a fake band. Yeah, it's really good. What separates you guys from a TikTok band? I'm not saying that you guys are a TikTok band. I'm saying I don't know what a TikTok band exactly is. We're less hot. We're less strong. I don't know about that. We're less...

We're less famous, and we wear short T-shirts instead of T-shirts that can go to our knees. Okay, that's great. Those examples really painted a picture for me. I hope T-shirt length plays a big part into it. Yes, yes. Covering that giant frame is really important. Is there a Christian bend to these guys, or are they just normal cats? That's incredibly likely. In fact, I'm always shocked with how common that is. but I would not be surprised. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So surfaces, what do they sound like? Imagine dragons or something? No, it's super like, it's just like vanilla ice cream. I mean, I love vanilla ice cream, so I can't talk too much shit, but it's just like really safe. Really, really safe. Okay. But these guys are, these guys, are these like a major rate label, like recording act or just TikTok? Yes. Okay. Okay. Well, they had their song, I think went off on TikTok and like went to the radio. They're like a big radio hit. Okay. Okay. So you see those guys, and you're mad at them because they make more money than you, but you're also maybe trying to produce their album or something. Sure. Yeah, I'll give them a peace sign or something. A peace sign and a duck lip. You'll throw surfaces, a duck lip, if you see them at the head? And they're like, oh, you're buying the HEB in-house products? Well, we got the deal, so I'm getting the good. Damn, that's pretty funny. Do you think they live there because they're from there, or do they relocate like you for the great real estate? I have no clue. I honestly wish I knew. I shouldn't have brought it up if I didn't have answers. I mean, there's no reason to move. You can do everything there. You've got an airport, you go, and you fly all over the world. They don't have an airport, Jason, unless they're flying private, I don't think. Chip and Joanna might have an airstrip, but I don't know if you have access to that. There is a little tiny airport, but it's barely a terminal. I want to go back to Waco. I think if you could arrange for a dinner between Jason, myself, Chip, and Joanna, I think that we could get them on the show. I don't want to upstage you as the biggest Waco celebrity. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, you just let me know. I don't want to step on any toes, of course. I need you. I need you to get that.

I need you to get that dinner. I'm sure there's some great fine dining restaurants in Waco that we could patronize. Jason's Deli, Fazoli's. I could go on. Bro, Charlie's doing better. St. Louis is sounding pretty good to me right now. No, it's fire. It's beautiful. After Jason's Deli, that's rough, bro. It's fire. All right, howdy. Thank you so much for talking shop with us. We appreciate it. uh true love that's out now you guys just finished your tour so now you can just chill and count those 20s all day yeah all the 20s literally yes two days ago i was uh oh shit listening to the new drake album like depositing all of our checks and it and it was it was a special like the gummy was kicking in hard as a rock weren't you charlie honestly i was feeling it okay because i can't figure out a way to like that so maybe I need to deposit money. Yes. That's a good environment. Yeah. It's a good environment. That works for me. I mean, look, it doesn't take much to get me going when I'm depositing. Mobile banking, it was good. I found a nice rhythm. Lots of overhead pictures. Yeah. The new Drake album is the soundtrack for mobile banking. I take a picture of the front of the check. You know what I'm saying? I take a picture of the backside of the check. Once it's been approved, I move on to the next one. Sign that shit, approve the amount. Are you sure? Yes. Are you sure? Yes. Okay, so that's our biggest takeaway from this episode. If you need to learn how to listen to Drake and enjoy it, actually, do it while making a bunch of mobile deposits into your bank account. That's great advice from Howdy. Thank you for joining us. I love tapping in with Flyover States on this podcast. We don't do it enough. I love the records. I'll continue to listen to you guys do the same, and we will see you soon. Thanks for having us. Later, fellas. Later.