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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Oh, man. Beautiful day. Beautiful day in Manhattan. Beautiful week. I just got home from a power lunch at Michael's. I ran into a friend of the show, Andy Cohen, who was dining there as well, which was nice to see. Because last time I went there for lunch, I saw Geraldo. So this was a little bit better than that. When you said ran into him... Does that mean you guys had a stop and chat? You did a brief hello? Or did you just see him at a restaurant? I approached the table and we spoke for a while before I left. Did he pretend to remember who you were? Or did he definitely know who you were? I'm going to say pretend. You can feel it, can't you? I mean, I think that's the overall vibe. But regardless, it was pleasant. You know what I mean? But it didn't feel like he was talking to a fan. There is that. So somewhere in between. Were there any, I don't know, not romantic, not sexual, but something beyond... You know, did he think that maybe you were one of his oomphies or something is what I'm asking. No, I don't think, I don't know. Answer the question, Chris. I don't think so. I don't know if I'm his type, although I think his type might be guy. So in that case, I do fall in that category. So anything could have transpired. I didn't pick up on that. My spidey sense didn't tingle. You had the ultimate icebreaker, though. We just did press with Shep.

Was it yesterday? Didn't even bring it up. Didn't even have to resort to Shep Talk. It's sitting right there. Take the shot. You didn't need the shot. As you say, you like to make things harder for yourself. I'm the same way when it comes to social interactions. I like to set the bar high and then I just leap over it like an Olympian. As it comes to Andy Cohen, you like to make it harder for yourself. Exactly. Let's pay some bills. We're only three months and let's pay some bills. That was it. It's so nice here. It's kind of crazy. So people are wilding out, is how I would say it. Have the tiles in the subway stopped bleeding water through the grout yet? They have stopped bleeding water. I took the subway to Midtown. I recorded the Taste podcast this morning. Foodfluencer Chris Black. Honestly, I'm going to get destroyed for this one, I think. I just, you know. I talked for five minutes about how good Mr. Chow is just to piss off the foodie community. I don't know. A lot of people like Mr. Chow. Not people that listen to a food podcast is my guess. We don't know that. No, no. I think you're more in the right in liking it than the opposite. I think it's sort of a goaded status restaurant like a Houston's or something. I obviously agree with you. But, yeah, it was fun to. to chat with Matt. Then I went over there. I took the train. It's the only way to get around. Everything in New York takes twice as long. Is that because of the migrant crisis? No, that's because of the traffic crisis that happens at the end of my fucking street every day from 3 to 7 where horns are blaring like someone has gotten run over because no one can obey the lights. Those are merely a suggestion at a certain point. I mean, that's how New York is, though. That's sort of what we love about Manhattan, right? It's gotten worse. But yes, it is what we love, especially when it's every single day, like clockwork. Also, the morning, too.

Let's not forget the morning. Anytime people are trying to get anywhere, I guess is the best way to put it. I shan't forget the morning. Are you? Somebody. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no, please. Somebody on Instagram named Nico said, good morning, jeans. Would love to hear you and Chris pick apart couples that do partner acro yoga in busy public gyms on the pod. Cheers. I'm assuming that's acrobatic yoga where... Your partner is being balanced on one hand as they create some shapes and stuff like that? First of all, I've never seen that in real life. No one does that off of Instagram. What do you mean? Yeah, it might only happen on social media only. Or like Venice Beach, maybe parts of Vancouver on a hot day. Yeah, definitely Vancouver on a nice day. Stanley Park on a nice day. It's funny you say that because I recently made some changes to my Equinox membership. You didn't go all city. Oh, you know I already hang my jersey in the rafters. I went all city. I went global. He's on his ear snot shit at Equinox. I went all city. Okay, so the Orchard Street location, as much as I like it, is I have to walk through like the – gnarly east village lower east side chinatown junkie human shit at in the morning and i think it was bringing me down so i've decided i want to go the other way tortured street more like go to go to soho um and i i so i went today for the first time and i gotta tell you what how How I didn't do this earlier is beyond me. The crowd is alpha only. Is this Bond Street? No, no, no. This is Soho. This is Prince Street. Oh, okay. Prince. Okay. But what I noticed... It's closers only. Closers only. It's fucking packed. But there's so much Ivy League dry fit.

that you know you're getting into some serious closer territory. Ivy League dry fit, so like sporty and rich? Like guys, yeah, like she wishes. No, like real, like a Cornell lacrosse long sleeve dry fit with like the Columbia Law dry fit shorts. Like mixing your alma maters with your huge chest and amazing reach. Right, right, right. It's very Winklevoss. Very, exactly. So it feels more like me. We're on the wrong machine. And yeah, there's two of us. It feels like it's more me. And it also allows me, if I want to feel crazy. You know, I can check out, you know, before I hit J.Crew, I can go to the Brookfield Place location. If I'm, you know, I can go in Toronto. I can go in Vancouver. I can go in Chicago. I can go in Los Angeles. So the world is my way. Oh, yeah. I'm going to be doing that soon. I think that's maybe I'll ask Santa Claus for a nationwide pass. What do you think it means that you feel the most at home, a person who didn't graduate high school, around people? who went to Ivy League schools, graduate programs, etc., etc.? Because they have a similar grind set. They're bred into that. I had to kind of pick it up and run with it. That's not a college football reference. So they had to learn it from the books and from their mentors, and you learned it from... Middle Eastern guys at the mall. Exactly. Exactly. Got it. Yes, exactly. Who's got a better car at the end of the day? Something to think about, isn't it? I mean, that's why we see eye to eye. That's why we're able to share the 65-pound dumbbells. It's a nice relationship I've cultivated. 65 too? Nice. I know. It's so cool to bond, to just dap up guys with headphones on and never speak to them. But, yeah, it's become – I can already tell this is going to put me in a better headspace and direction to start my – Maybe you inspired me to honestly ask for that for Christmas. I don't know how you ask for a recurring monthly membership fee for Christmas. Well, it's a nominal increase. I think because the ones in New York are so expensive to begin with, it's not that crazy. It's like $30 or $40 a month or something. It's very reasonable. It's nominal. How does it feel to be back in L.A.?

It's good and bad. It's kind of jarring. I really did have an amazing time in Sea Ranch. It was a great getaway. So much content to be captured and shared. So many outdoor activities to clear your head and reset, etc. So whenever I come back, you are eager to grind set. But it's easy to get spun out super quickly and be like, I've got to do this. You've got to go a little slow. Limp in. so you don't burn yourself out. So you're limping. But you don't really do that, right? No, I didn't limp, but I just went and I did some jumping ropes and I played tennis against the wall. A little solo cardio sesh. Out in the sun, 93 degrees today. Oh, that's beautiful. Got the wife beater on. Got a nice smoothie going. That's nice. Okay, so you're back. Have some nice element watermelon salt. In my How Long Gone Now, Gene. Wow. You're really painting a picture for me listening. I heard now for the second time today that I have to watch the Posh and Beck's Netflix special. I heard from you once and then from Matt. Well, it's not really the Posh and Becks. It's Becks and Posh. Okay. I mean, I put women first. That's just me, but sure. Netflix doesn't. The clip that's going viral where he forces her to tell the camera that her dad drove her to school in a Rolls Royce in the 80s. Yeah. is very cool. I didn't see that. I didn't see that part. We just kind of organically discovered it on Netflix last night as we were eating some Fish King because it was served to us 5,000 times. You must click this window. You're saying you didn't watch the whole thing. It's in the documentary. No, no, no. I did. I did. I'm saying I didn't watch any teasers or trailers. Oh, I see. Oh, I understand. I just stumbled upon it organically in the watch it now or I'll kill you section of Netflix. Yes, of course. But yeah, we watched a couple episodes of it, and that part was really funny where she was trying to talk about how she has so much in common with him. They both come from kind of a hard-scrabble, blue-collar, working-class background, and he pops his head from the other room into the kitchen and is like, um... He slowly whittles her down to tell her that she was driven to school.

in a rolls royce as a child him just being like so firm like being like no no tell them no no you're lying no it was really really good yeah it's good the but i thought of you because there's like oasis supersonic needle drop where like when things start get going and they're playing the footage from like 97 where he's got the hair and of course no awful tattoos yet and you're like oh and you would see how sports brought people together for sure in an amazing way but then you also see how like it's a little too like the obsession is too much like when he gets he like got a red card in an important game and had to leave and there's there's just like grown men crying snot coming out of the nose a man rips his shirt off of his body and throws it at the television at a public bar and like to have that much i mean it's beautiful to have that much passion and excitement about something It shouldn't be that passionate about a team that you're rooting for simply for the reason that it's close to where your house is. I feel that way about all sports, but I don't think anything in this country elicits the same kind of passion that football in England. And also how kind of civilized it really used to be until somebody won or a crazy thing happened. When you're watching the game, everyone's kind of sitting there watching the game. Well, that's because soccer's boring. That's the whole problem. All right. It used to be a dignified sport. We do have a guest today, a longtime friend of the show, Buffalo's own Emile Haney. You know him from his production work with everyone from Kanye West, Lana Del Rey, Bruno Mars, FKA Twigs, Florence and the Machine. Adele. He's got Grammys. You name it, he's worked with them. He lets me roast him for, you know, his Kid Cudi Association and loving MOP. And that's why we've been able to be friends for this long. Shout out to Plain Pat. Let's give Emil a jingle and have a chat. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince.

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You don't want to know the sugar content in that. Emil, I noticed that you, too, are enjoying a beverage. Is that true? Yeah, I'm drinking some beer. I took the day off for this, and I was like, you know, if we're going to sit around. You took the day off for this? What do you mean? You take every day off. Shoot the shit. It's 57 minutes, Emil. What did you move around to fit in how long gone today? I was like, I'm not going to do any sessions. I'm not going to work. I'm going to drink. And, you know, it's only 57? No, we've got a lot to unpack. No, Emil, see, unfortunately, Jason, Emil comes from the school of drink champs where he thinks this podcast is going to be five hours. You know, I'm going to take my shirt off. It's going to, you know, you're going to get drunk. It's going to get gnarly. I kind of want to drink and podcast now, but, I mean, it's too late. How could you not do it? I can't imagine doing this without drinking. Yeah, welcome to my life, Emil. It's not great. Please be respectful of Chris's sobriety, Emil. Yeah, please. Hold on one second. I've got to take my edible really quick. Go ahead. I think a lot of people, though, do record podcasts at night because they want to be drunk or drinking. But we take a different approach. You're the only guy I know who got sober. I didn't notice the shit. You didn't change. You didn't become like... stayed the same Chris I know for so many years. Well, that's great. I'm glad to hear that. I mean, you know, I think ideally it makes you better in some ways, but I think it can also lead to some new weird behaviors. You know what I mean? And somehow I did avoid that. Like I haven't, I haven't gotten into any, I haven't started to do jujitsu yet. Um, so I'm still, I'm still doing better. But I know what you mean, Emil. Like he will, Chris was not sloppy. Or he didn't have the telltale signs or the negative things that your friends who, like, imbibe a little too much seem to have. He was still a solid guy who held it together. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's things...

have gone better in life in some ways but you haven't lost your uh sense of humor in any way well that yeah no things have definitely gone better in life and i was able to retain my sense of humor so that's a win for me overall and you could start you could start jujitsu soon i wanted to bring this up maybe ignacio matos could teach you jujitsu because uh but he's not even sober i i that doesn't even i didn't know they allowed i got a i listened to the podcast he was on with you guys and he calls himself some kind of like third degree jujitsu expert like third degree yeah Yeah, he did. If he's a jiu-jitsu expert, I'm a fucking NBA basketball player. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Emil, you know you are challenging somebody who does jiu-jitsu maybe more than you do. Ignacio. I mean, I don't know. We fought once, and he did put me in a chokehold debt. My Adam's apple was messed up for about four days, so he does know something. I'm just saying any jujitsu training will be better than, I'm assuming, what the three of us have combined, right? Don't jump to conclusions on my martial arts. What color is your belt? It's La Mer brown leather. He's like, well, Dries has a green one and a purple one. I've been more dreams in a long time. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Let me set the record. I do know this about you because we have known each other for a long time. You kind of go through – you get very into something clothing-wise. You get super into it. You become an expert. You buy a lot of it. You wear it. And then you kind of – like a snake, you shed the skin and you go into like another – You say, if I love VisVim, I let it go. You let it go. And maybe it will come back. I don't do that, but I also have a hard time getting rid of anything. Was it a space issue or was that how you approached it? What do you mean a space issue? Was it like, I don't have enough room for all this new Margiela. I have to get rid of all of this. He's like, honey, it's never a space issue. Look behind me. I keep stuff. I keep stuff.

Is there an archive? I'm not having the expertise. Is there an archive somewhere? Oh, yeah. Big archive. Have you considered using Rent the Runway or a similar service to kind of try a look out? No, what is that? Before you kind of... I just get as many things as I can, and one of them will work, and I'll just wear that for the next until, like you said, I shed the skin. I appreciate it, because all of it has looked good in the different phases. I wondered about the archive. Is it temperature controlled? Is there a manager, or is that just you? I haven't checked in. I get a text on my phone every... month that says that the auto pay paid for the thing and that's that's how i know it's good other than that i don't know what the hell is going is it in new york or is it in new york or la both oh wow okay okay so the answer is yes i have a similar issue but it's it's basically only t-shirts like there really isn't like much else but well let me let me back up really quick is this Is this anything different than just like a public storage space? Or is this a specific wardrobe controlled service kind of thing? No, no, no. It's just one of the public storage. Okay, it's just storage. Okay. I wasn't sure because people have like the separate wine and the separate car storage. I didn't know if clothing had that service as well. I don't have anything that good. It's all just rather than, you know, throw it away. You got rid of all the McQueen gowns, and there's no point anymore. He donated the McQueen gowns to the Met, and he's kind of moved on from that. I don't need the humidor. I can turn the humidor off. No, that's something I found. I guess Tom Brown's is in Long Island City somewhere, and it's apparently incredible, fully temperature-controlled. There's like someone who knows everything and you go if you want something. That's one of those ladders on the wheels that you can move. Yeah. Yeah. No, honestly, I think it's I think if I think real I think like real places like have to take it seriously because people wear that stuff like people wear it from time to time. So they have to like know where it is. You know what I mean? My blue suede fringed moccasins don't get the same.

Respect out of the Tom Brown archive. Okay, that's fair. I know that's probably better for everybody, but you're a guy who you pay a lot of attention to detail, so I thought maybe. You know Emil. I'm not going to have Emil answer this question because he probably won't, but I guess we're in fall-winter 23. What would you categorize Emil's movement right now to be? He's in his what era? It's tough. It's mature, and I like it. But what I really like about it is that he's injecting more color than he used to. Would you agree with that, Emil? Very much agree to that, yeah. Okay. So, I mean, I'm sure at one point you were matching your fitted to your shoes, and that was colorful. Then you took a hiatus from that kind of and went into like a Japanese kind of dark tonal look. And now I feel like I see you with like a nice deep red, a brown, a yellow now. For our listeners at home, he's wearing a nice Dijon tee right now. Butter yellow. It looks good. Butter yellow has become a favorite color in life, in everything. I don't know if you can tell the crib has a lot of that. Butter yellow, that's tough to pull off. I don't know if I have the skin tone for that, but I'm glad that you. You don't. I don't have the skin tone for... I have the skin tone for pitch black lighting. That's so, you know... You have the skin tone for stage blacks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess that... I guess, though, if you embrace something, you just have to own it, and that's what you're doing with Butter Yellow. Yeah, I'll probably regret it, like most things down the line when I see it, but see photos, but, you know. So when you see photos of kind of some of your other phases, are you embarrassed, or are you just like, it was a different time? It was a different time, man. I was trying to figure it out, but boy, oh boy, there were some bad moments that still live. Did you do any leather skirts or anything? No. Are you crazy? No. I never went, like, Like fashion with two Z's. Okay, so you didn't go Mike Dean. You didn't go Mike Dean, but you kind of held off. He never wore a leather skirt. Did he? I just mean that Mike...

You didn't dress like the people you were working with, no matter how influential they were. You had your own lane. Yeah, you were working with ASAP when he was wearing a leather skirt, probably. So, you know, I don't know if there would be a cross-pollination. He looks good in that. He looks good in that. I don't look quite as good as Rocky. I would love for someone to give you a leather skirt and you feel like you had to wear it, kind of as a gesture, because of the work relationship. Accepting gifts. I don't really get a lot of those kind of gifts. What do you get? The guy who has everything, right? I wouldn't give you clothes either. You're not a guy you give clothes to. What would you give me? I would give you something for the home, probably. Or something. I'd probably turn you on to a new soft synth that you didn't know about. I still love that. That would be great. Maybe I would consult an expert and get into some wine. You know, I could ask Eric for some suggestions. Don't ask that guy for any suggestions, please. He's not. We're on different wavelengths when it comes to these things. Okay, so what wavelength are you on? Like old school Italian expensive red? Flavors of the Orient. No, just whatever's easy. He gets really picky. He's difficult. I just want something easy. So you just want something easy that tastes good and pairs well with your meal. And is close and cheap and fun. That's it. So you sit down at horses and they hand you the wine list and you're like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I haven't. Easy. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Marvin would not be okay with this conversation. I forgot you're a cat lover. Yeah. Got a roommate. Okay. The longest relationship of Emil's life is Marvin, his beautiful cat. For our listeners at home, Emil has an amazing cat. Yeah. Really a great cat. He's cool. If you had to have a cat, that's the one for me, I would say. Exactly. You sit down and stir crazy. Yeah. They present you the wine list, and your head is spinning. What is this? They're really good. Give me something white and cold and now. That's what you say, right? Yeah.

Yeah, actually. He says, what pairs well with a cold asparagus and egg yolk? I don't know. You guys tell me. Let me pull up the celery chapter of my flavor Bible, and we'll kind of work backwards from there. I thought I would get a pre-pod dinner, by the way. I feel like my friends get a pre-pod dinner, and I don't play. The only person that's ever gotten a pre-pod dinner is Brady Snellis, I think. Yeah. And don't get me wrong, Emilio. Your output has been as influential on me. as brett but you're not kind of like you're you're an american psycho in the keys but you are easier to get than brett i'd be more fun at dinner though i don't actually i agree with that same amount of cuntiness yeah but you would be more fun yeah um we probably would drink about the same though he puts him back right yeah he puts him back yeah he puts him back he puts him back I mean, I think that, yeah, I think that you guys have equal level of tales to tell. They're just from kind of different sects and eras. Yeah, he's more of a vodka ice now kind of guy, and you're like, gruner, cold now. I want a martini, man. Like, I just can't. Uh-oh, are you post-wine, Emil? We were talking about this a couple episodes ago. I just like, I mean, if I could drink anything, it's martinis, but there are five of those, and things get slippery, you know? Five? Wine. Yeah, wine you could drink a lot of and not, you know. Yeah, but I would argue five martinis versus two bottles of wine, your hangover is going to be worse with the wine, right? Hangovers are getting really badly. I never used to get these kind of hangovers, and now. In my 40s, I've experienced hangovers that I used to make fun of my friends that they would get, and I'm starting to get them too. Well, I don't think you're drinking enough water. I can tell. Definitely not. I'm sure you have a beautiful water distribution receptacle in your home, like a ceramic, or maybe it's Mountain Valley. Amil, who does your water program? Who does the water program?

I don't have any good water. That's another thing I've tried to do, like the smoothies, is get inspired and get a good water program, and it lasts a couple days. It's a waste. I mean, I'm sure you have 7,000 bottles of Mountain Valley in your house, right? I do have that right now. Yeah. Okay. All right. Good. All right. Yeah. See, you're just one of those guys where you show up to the house and there's never not going to be Mountain Valley cold, right? No, because that's the water program. It's comforting. If I buy cases of that and put them in every room, that's the only way I remember to drink water. Like a hamster. What's your sleep schedule like right now? Are you standing up late? Are you... on your L.A. early riser swag. I think I go to bed early. I go to bed pretty early. I wanted to go to a thing last night, and I couldn't stay up, and it was at 11. A DJ set or something? What are we talking about? There was a DJ set I heard of that sounded really cool that I wanted to hit, but I couldn't stay up. This was on a Wednesday? Who was it? Anybody that we would know? It was the L.A. sweet soul, like... Eastside L.A. Sweet Soul thing where guys were playing 45s, which is my favorite kind of music to listen to. You're a known 45 collector. I like Sweet Soul, rare 45s. Was this the Egon situation? No, it wasn't, but I hit him about it, and he was like, oh, that's a real deal. Can you tell me what Sweet Soul is as a genre? I can deduce, but I wasn't familiar with that term. Do you know the Delphonic song, La La Means I Love You? Yes, yes, yes. That's kind of like the epitome of... That's the biggest, I would say, sweet soul song. That's like... Man, dump that into the MPC. Ooh, it's over. I hear it now. Group harmony and the guy is singing like a really, really high falsetto. Okay. That's my favorite. Oh, you know the song Sitting... You know Sitting in the Park? That's another like really, really famous sweet soul record. Kind of cheap recordings, and it's really popular even to this day in East L.A. in, like, the Mexican culture. So they have parties where there's these guys who play Sweet Soul 45s, and they have the rarest collection, and this is what's happening last night, and I missed it. With some Art LeBeau type shit. Yeah, exactly. Like, okay, so these are expensive, kind of hard to come by, depending on what you're looking for? They could be now, yeah. Like I said, it could be the Delphonics, or it could be something really expensive and rare. But I think the guys in L.A. have been into it way before it was.

Yeah. Trendy or expensive or collectible. Have you sampled stuff like this? Is that how you got into it? Yeah. How could you not? At these events, are people like slow dancing to this type of music? Could be. If these are like 50s and 60s kind of ballads? It could be a bit. It's a pretty sausage. Grab your Heine. It's a sausage fest, the few I've been to. There's not a lot of women. Oh, okay. There might be a few women. It's dude heavy, you know? Okay, so it's more for the heads to like check out the architecture. of the genre and less of like a get my dick sucked kind of situation. I mean, any of these kind of things are generally, there's not a lot of dick sucking happening. Unless it's your own, of course. When the focus is records. You gotta hang out where I'm DJing at, baby. Yeah, there's no records in sight, that's for sure. It's a mustard fest, not a sausage fest, you dig? Where do you DJ at? Great question. Where I used to DJ. Where I used to DJ outside. I think I've been with, like, me and Kid Cudi have been to some of your things back in the day. Oh, definitely. He was making the club rounds. You and Kid Cudi and some puffy Nikes and skinny Subies rock into them jeans? That's a dream. About to stage dive like a crazy white boy. What was the place in Hollywood that would kick off, that Cudi would always go play at? That was Jason's night. I realized that recently and was like, now I know how we first broadcast. Yeah, I spent a lot of nights laying on the floor with Kid Cudi at 3 a.m. being like, alright guys, we should go. Laying on the floor, huh? Not in a non-sexual way and just like a tonight was a movie kind of way and also I'm fucked up. I remember that was fun. Yes, it was. I mean, look, it's a legendary one. I mean, that's where Jason hangs his hat still. I mean, he's still getting booked to DJ. It has nothing to do with this podcast. But all that was to say when my goal for DJing was always, you know, to play for the girls and the gays, not for the dudes to be like, oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gangstar instrumental.

Oh, my God. Don't. Now you're going at Emile's knees. Don't bring up a gangster instrumental. That's too mean. That's too far. Yo, I forgot. I forgot Primo did this one. You know, stuff like that. I'm so. I'm like. Yo, let me get that. You're speaking to me. If there's a night like that, I will. That's. I'll come to that. A hundred percent. Okay. A hundred percent. Yeah. Vinyl collecting, though, is it's so. Because I've got. I was with my friend in Atlanta who's like a punk. Like. hardcore like noise got collector and he was he might be crazier about it than like the real hip-hop sample heads and i was like damn yeah like you go to three record stores a day like in the city you live in like just still i mean not not like every day obviously but like in this way that i'm like i thought i i just i can't imagine going to a place that i live down the street from that many times expecting to find something new but you know Well, you know, you hear about the guy calls you, hey, this, you know, some random dude just came and dumped 3000 records. Come run through it before I tag him and you can give me a deal. You're not looking for something new and you work out three times a day and try new different. and you're not searching for something that you haven't found yet? I guess, yeah, Chris's fitness journey is a little bit of a needle in a haystack kind of situation, isn't it? Okay. Seems like you're still trying to find that, you know. Yeah, I'm trying to find fucking really defined abs, and they're elusive, Emil. They're elusive, okay? I want them to just poke through my shirt. Every day you've got to wake up. He's trying to get abs on the back. Why do you want that? What's the purpose of that? What else do I have? I mean, there's nothing else to do. What else am I going to do? I don't drink. Guys like it. Yeah, guys like it. Next question. I don't have anything else to do, and it gives my life some purpose. It gives me a North Star every day. Is it looking in the mirror and just feeling, do you get like a rush? Yeah, for sure. I just want to feel very strong. You want to feel alive? I want to feel alive. Well, those are two very different things, Chris. Feeling very strong and having visible abs, those are two different goals, just to let you know. Yes, they can work.

There is often a crossover on that Venn diagram. We can parallel path this, as they say in the corporate world, and make these things work. Is it all show or is it all go? Is all I'm asking, Chris? I think that in a beautiful world, like other professional athletes, it's both. But Emil, you just get your day started and kind of drift through. And some of us... have to kind of have pillars to keep us... Yeah, actually, you do look good, Emil, for a person, you know, your age and the amount that you drink. What is the... what's the plan what's the routine how are we doing it um good you don't know you know what i do ride a bicycle a lot things change for me when i started riding a bicycle and it's the only in new york right or in la too i try to do both i do it way more in new york because new york is a way more conducive city to yeah but la you could do the you could do the la river which is kind of interesting and you could go all the way to long beach which is like a 40 mile ride along the LA River. So you'll do that? You'll do a river run down to LB? Yeah, and it's crazy. You see the weirdest part of LA when you do that. I don't mean just the one that's by the Cafe Cologne. By Frogtown? Yeah, no, not that one. I mean you go up to Altadena and you ride it all the way down through South LA to Long Beach and then you can go back. Yeah, man. That's like a good exercise. You get to see a lot of people who live under the bridge. who want to kill you for money. Dude, you just see the craziest... You see cowboys, there's horses. It's this just crazy-ass part of L.A. that you don't really... ever see otherwise. I used to do that ride all the time. Not down to Long Beach all the way, but... Long Beach is far. I only made it all the way to Long Beach once. It's really far. 40 miles. Did you take an Uber back or did you ride it back too? Well, I got an electric scooter bike, so I don't actually... I could just... What? I had one of my interns take the Audi down and he met me and we strapped it back up on the roof rack. You don't have a pace car. You just make your engineer drive down and wait.

Yeah, I don't actually pedal, but it goes 30 miles an hour, and you just press the thing. It's like the delivery guys in New York. You just hold a button, and it just goes. No, I think I saw you on a bike in New York, and I was stunned to see it, but you had like a full kind of sporty look. I do not film the crazy cyclist fit. don't you dare i know i know i'm saying you had an emile style sporty outfit is what i mean that was like damn okay i would sweat through that and look like a pig but emile somehow is cool calm and collected well what was what was sweaty about it chris i mean it's just if i'm doing anything physical in new york how does he sauce it down i i the wales bonner must be breathable i don't know i i don't i don't know how he does it i i don't have that same well i mean i know how he does it it's an electric bike So you don't sweat. That's true. So it's not really, it's more wind than your hair. It's more wind than your hair. It's the fresh air, vitamin D. You have to wear the tights underneath the shorts with the butt support. That is part of it. That's the only part that you can't not do. That's a little old guy's rule. If you buy a Tommy Bahama bike, the seat has it built in. You get the sexy red butt pads for the bike, is what you're saying? Yeah, you got to do it. Sexy. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace.

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I don't really... It's weird, because it sounds good. I listened to it this morning. It sounds good. I always thought Griselda was a Mexican chick. Who is this? Cuban. The original Griselda was Cuban. But Griselda is a collective of guys from Buffalo where I grew up that make music I like about it. So you're saying that you still, when you're riding around and getting it, you're listening to hip-hop in the truck? I'm listening to podcasts, man. Especially riding the bicycle, it's dangerous to listen to... music i think right i listen to podcasts you won't be able to hear a siren because it's in most of the songs that you listen to the the police siren in the background yeah you gotta look around is that me oh that's me guys i'm sorry oh that's just little wayne he's crazy yeah so you have to listen to npr just to stay alive yeah i don't listen to npr a lot of a lot of uh star talk do you guys ever listen to that one I like that one. Star Talk? Star Talk? The Neil deGrasse Tyson podcast. Oh, no. Okay, what is he talking about? Obviously, stars are one of the subjects, but what else is he talking about? I'm like page six. What is it? TMZ? Listen to him a lot, you guys, and not any Joe Budden anymore. Why not? Who else? You're my Joe Budden connect, Emil. I know. I know. That's your favorite. That's why I brought it up. Wait, have you made songs? You didn't make any songs, Joe Budden, back in the day, did you? I did. Oh, yeah, baby. Okay, so we were at baseline with Joe Budden? D&D. Is this post-pump it up or pre-pump it up? Post. What is free? I have a question. Is it post-pump? Got it. Okay, cool. What is free? There's no joke. Okay, so these songs, I'm just guessing based on your reaction that these weren't runaway hits. These were more album cuts for the heads. Deep cuts. I don't know how many hits you think he has under the old belt there, but it wasn't pumping up, so yeah, it was deep cuts. Did any of these songs get a release? Yeah. Okay, so I can go and listen to them now on my streaming platform, maybe. I could buy it on Bandcamp. This was right after, I'll never forget, because it was right after...

9-11 and i would take the amtrak from new york to detroit and it was a 16 hour sleeper car amtrak because you were like spooked i was terrified to fly for like the first couple like 2001 2002 2003 so i would take the train were you in new york for 9-11 or were you still in buffalo yeah oh you were here okay you were living in queens yeah i mean that's taking a 16 hour train to buffalo is wild or excuse me to detroit is wild buffalo is eight hours i used to do that one all the time too How do you know you were such a train guy? Did you use your time wisely? Were you working on the train or were you sleeping? Did you bring a 404? Probably getting stoned. Sure. I don't know. That's the best way to handle a train trip of that length, for sure. What else do you do on a train, you know? Now, nothing. Hit the blunt, do my wordles. I still prefer it, though. I love trains, especially like, you know, American trains kind of suck, but when they're fast trains, it's... I like, Neil, I like lots of songs. And I still, you know, back in the day, I was always pushing you to, I was always hoping you would work with a band band. Yeah. Like a five piece, like we're in the lab. Yeah. He did. He's done that. Kinda. Not, I'm talking like. Not what Chris wants. Yeah. He wants like, I know what you want. You want like a straight to tape. No, no, no. I don't need it to be nerd shit like that. I just mean, I like the idea of you. having to, like, do something somewhere for, like, a month and a half straight. You know what I mean? What would be a good band, like, currently? Like, if you worked with, like, the 1975. Yeah. You just were there to Rick Rubin, the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody wants the drums to be underwater. It's just a straight ahead. Okay, we got it. That kind of take, you know? Like, get them into Trump, or what do you mean? You don't have to do that. The mixing board is rotary. I don't know. No, I just I just feel like the way that you operate is kind of like a it's in a very pleasant New York or L.A. kind of environment that you dictate. I would like to get out of my comfort zone so I don't get to live in it after 16 hour train rides to Detroit once a month. I don't get to enjoy my life. That's too long ago. You forgot your roots. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say. You forgot your roots. Chris said G check. Yeah.

Yeah, I need you to go to West Texas, hole up with a five-piece for a month and a half, do some acid, and just see what happens. After a while, you've got to take the driver's test again. You know what I'm saying? I just started driving a couple of years ago. That was scary. Only a couple of years ago? Yeah, three years ago. Three or four years ago. What were you doing in LA before? Just Ubering everywhere? Ubering. Yeah. Horrible. I remember the Uber phase. I was like, bro, this is insane. Because it was years. It's not insane. You don't know the difference. If you have no context, it's fine. And then, you know, you kind of grow out of it. It ain't tricking if you got it as well. But if you're like, I only go out to do cool stuff where I hang out at parties and get fucked up, I can hit a button and an S-Class picks me up and takes me straight to the front door. Why would you not do that? There's no downside to that. I cook a lot, though. And it's like, you know, when you're cooking and you forgot to get one thing at the store and you got to run back to the store. Yeah, last time you cooked for me, it was – Where's my lemongrass? You've been – you were in your beef bouillon. How do I say it? What is it that you're making? Beef bourguignon. Beef bourguignon. Okay, and this is something that is like a difficult process that is based in the French style of cooking. Is that correct? Yeah, it's like a French stew. It's my favorite thing to cook. How long does this taste and how bad does your house smell kind of while you're preparing this? Oh, you don't eat meat, right? No, I don't. It smells so good. Yeah, it perfumes the house in such a way that you wouldn't really be able to enjoy. Chris doesn't like the smell of an open pack of rice crackers or something, you know? I know. Chris doesn't like food. I love a meal. See, I get a bad rap. I love food. And I've had your food. Because in New York. He loves food. He just doesn't like it, maybe, is how I would put it. Yeah. What was that?

apartment you lived in when you when you put out the album when you put out your album what street was that on bleaker on bleaker on bleaker that you were in your japanese phase really cooking yeah i mean it was delicious and i was always amped for an invite because he loves what you did with with tofus exactly you yeah it felt more catered to a larger group now you're doing this heavy beef stew i just did that's not it no no i do a lot of different which beef stew night did you come to i don't remember i don't I came to the apartment to not the new one. Not the new one. Oh, in New York. In New York. Like recently, like six months ago. I love which beef stew night did you come to? Great question. No, I remember now. I do remember now. Yeah. Chris wouldn't take off his boots. Did I not? Yeah, I don't take off my shoes. I don't do that. No. I don't do that. You got to in New York, though. New York is you're just walking on. I don't like inflicting a take the shoes off thing, but in New York, you have to. The shit you're walking on is just. I do it in my own house, of course, but in others, no. Especially if you're downtown. Especially on that block that I was living on. That was a great apartment. The five-floor walk-up was tough. Five-floor walk-up? Yeah, it was tough. Emil, when you're cranking this beef... There you go. Of all the versions, have you ever done one where you pour in a really expensive bottle of wine to braise it in? No. Come on. No, that's stupid. You're not supposed to. It doesn't do anything. You're not supposed to because what? The wine police will arrest you? I think it's a waste of money. I don't know. It is. It definitely is, but it's a nice flex. Do you see those videos going viral of guys in Houston when the club... Oh, yeah. Clothes, they just pour all the liquor on the floor, all the bottle service they bought. Yeah. All the Casa Azul getting dumped. If I had a film crew documenting my cooking journey, I would pour fancy wine into the thing that wasted. That would look cool. Momofuku, you listening to this David Chang? The meal show is ready to go. I thought you were going to talk about the guys on the TikTok chef stuff.

try to do it with really expensive. I've seen a little bit of that, and I always leave them. I haven't seen that. Oh, really? With the dish we're talking about in particular? Or whatever. All my algorithm on the Instagram reels is stupid chef. Masturbatory cooking videos? Yeah, and 90% of them are so horrible. Have you had a TikTok song? Do you have something from the catalog go crazy? Yeah. Something recently, it's one of the things where they sped it up and then it went crazy again. I think it was Summertime Sadness. I was going to say it has to have been Lana because even Lana's worst songs go insane on TikTok. But that was a hit and then someone did the thing where they sped it up and made a chipmunk version of it and that kicked off on TikTok, I guess. We love that. There's nothing I love more... The people I know getting bigger checks from some kid on TikTok. Yeah, but Emil, are you going to do that for any of your songs or your catalog where you go in and pre-release the sped-up versions so you can actually get the stream counts and it's not just pissing into the wind? When I make a reel, I will download a song, manipulate it, speed it up, slow it down, add effects so that it's undistinguishable from the original in the eyes of... the software that analyzes it for a DMCA takedown. So it also doesn't count as a stream either. You know what I mean? So somebody like that song Bad Habit, they released a sped-up version of it on Spotify, Apple Music, everywhere. So you can just double your stream so you actually get a credit for the stream. Oh, I never thought of that. I don't know. I think there's probably some Lana songs that are like that. But it's a trend that's happening a little bit here and there. But you don't really seem like the kind of guy. I see. Yeah, they re-release it. That's so corny that they re-release the sped up. Yeah. Some 11-year-old made it for TikTok. You get ahead of it. Yeah. And then the label. Oh, God. That's lame. It's lame, but I used to do the same thing when I would make a bootleg remix of something and it would get bigger than the remix. I mean, it only happened a couple times and they would have to begrudgingly.

Be like, alright, give us the fucking stems so we can get it mastered. I'm about to take this podcast and release it sped up so you guys can't make a profit off it. I'm recording it. I'm going to release it today before you guys do it. Speed it up. Don't worry, Neil. We're not profiting that much, so it's fine. It's fine. No one ever chops and screws it instead? I'll slow it way down. It'll be a three-hour pod. Honestly, not a bad idea. I know a lot of people, like Grindset tech people, will listen to this podcast and many others on 1.5 or 2x speed because you're not listening for pleasure. You're listening to download information, cultural relevance. Yeah, they're on 40. 40 milligrams of Adderall? Just powering. I require more data. What's up with the studio in New York? Are you in there? I'm not in there that much, man. I can't front. I don't work as good in New York. LA, I do better work. I feel like there's a lot more downtime in LA to focus on work. I feel like that's a choice you're making because you worked here for so long. Just fine. I know, but I had, I had a lot less access, you know, what do you, what do you mean? He's gone. He's like, what do you mean? Less access to, to city loss of magic, like collaborators or, or like to fun. Oh, just like, I didn't really have that many choices. So by default, I was in the studio. Oh, I see. I see. That's kind of what LA is now. There's nothing to really do in LA. It's just a big. sprawling suburbs. I don't really feel like I'm missing anything cool, so I just like to sit and work. But you could also sit at a bar alone and read a book. You ever do that, Emil? How? Read a book? I don't like reading in public. I don't understand. Good answer. Yeah, I see guys pull up to the cafe with a book. I'm like, why would you just do that at home?

You're in a cafe. You can be around people, no? That's a very good question, Emil, isn't it? Yeah, why would you read a book when you have a phone in your pocket? This is so stupid. No, I mean like the process of reading a book while you're surrounded by people. I never really understood that idea. If I'm going to read, I kind of just want to not be distracted. Well, I was sort of foreshadowing to a subject we talked about a couple episodes ago about an article about guys performatively reading. books at a bar in public in order to get some pussy. I was just sort of wondering if you have ever done that before. Of course that's what those guys are doing. That makes that answer. I thought you were going to say, of course I do. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, no problem. What book would I read to try to – what's the book of choice to try to pull? Well, it's all of the popular – That's the good question. The books that are popular with women like The Guest by Emma Klein and My Year of Rest and Relaxation, like all the stuff that's super trendy with a very recognizable cover. But is that too obvious is the question. Now that women are aware that guys are reading these books that they read, is that going to come off – too desperate or too try hardy so then you have to start reading books that are a little more masculine maybe like pull up with a john grisham i pull up with my first edition copy of the firm hey let me get a bourbon neat yeah that does that's that's also old-timey guys who are doing that though right that's like like the churn churn your own butter. Yeah, the old-timey guys would pull up a different kind of book, but it's the same idea. They're still trying to attract... But I'm saying that should get you more action. than reading an emma klein book but that's every sector of guy has whatever their bullshit is to try to pull right and that's just the old timey guy who likes to drink bourbon and you know pull up at the bar wearing some whereas i like sense of humor yeah yeah you you like that jason that's what you luckily you have one that's the only way you've ever gotten laid so god but what djing of course oh yeah the six the six foot nine aspect has nothing to do with it whatsoever i think djing it's just great humor

Yeah, I'm sure the girls walk up to you and they say, oh, my God, you're so funny. I love your work, TJ, stuff like that. Yeah, I love this. Well, going back to hip-hop, Emil, who do you think killed Tupac? Jimmy Iovine? Who do you think it was? Well, the guy just got arrested for it. Yeah, I mean, come on. Oh, come on. We know. You trust the law? And Epstein killed himself. Come on, Emil, who do you think really killed him? I don't expect you to give an answer. It's making the rounds big time now because of the case that they just... Of course. But this guy, the guy that they arrested has been like, he's like a known witness to it and has been around the whole time, right? Yeah, I guess he said he was in the car, which makes him an accomplice. Yeah, he was claiming that he saw, like, his... And he said that a person that died. We said he was in the car. So it's sort of like the perfect crime. Like his cousin did it, but he died. Oh, I see. Okay, I see. But who told him to do it is the question. I mean, that's a great question. It's not the foot soldier who did the dirty work. No, no, no. Always. We know that. I want to take this up to the top. Don Corleone. We're taking this all the way to the top. Sean Puppy Combs? Who could it be, you know? How many years later is it now? 25 years later? Literally 25 years later. It feels like, what's the point of even doing that now? You know what I mean? Like, no one thinks you're good at your job, police, when it takes 25 years to find somebody who did it. Yeah, I mean, if somebody, if they came out and they're like, we found out who shot John F. Kennedy, everyone would be like... Yeah. Do you think, like, DA offices are doing... Like they're doing clout chasing and trolling like the Atlanta D.A. who's trying to charge everybody. And then the Vegas D.A. for doing this. It's like it's just a sensationalized story. Like it's insane. Yeah, it's good for press, I guess. It's crazy. I bet it's that, though. It's got to be something to do with that, you know, because they all get a little bit of fame off of it. The cops do need a dub.

Lately. It hasn't been so good for them. So maybe this is their PR. It hasn't been great for the Federale lately. They hired Purple and they're telling them, you know, we've got to claim that Tupac murder. We've got to figure this one out. I want to get some Lana Del Rey stories, Emil. What do you want to know? I want to know why I... Would she like me? No. I've never gotten it. I like VCR and I like video games. VCR. No, sorry, video games is what I was thinking of. Same shit. Could you have foreseen it going this way, where people are absolutely obsessed with her, like it's absolutely insane now? Like it's a Selena Morrissey level of fandom? I could see it, because it reaches a certain type of person who's probably a little bit more emotional, so when that stuff hits, it always kind of... You know, it's harder than your average pop music, you know? Yeah, no, the darkness is definitely part of the appeal. But I guess, like, because you were with her pretty early. Yeah, yeah, pre-Born to Die. I mean, I did her first up. But did you guys meet socially and then make it work, or was it like a setup? No, we got set up to make music, but she was just making the rounds. at different labels, and nobody really saw it. It wasn't a thing. And one guy saw it, this guy John Eamon, and he was like an A&R admin guy who was trying to walk her into Interscope, and I was doing all this rap stuff on Interscope, so he set me up with her, and we kind of hit it off and started making demos. And then shortly, it wasn't that long after that, video games became a weird cult. It started spreading on the internet and people started really liking it. She didn't have a deal or anything then, though. Oh, really? Yeah, she was fully unsigned. She made video games on her busted-ass... Remember when the laptops were white? Yes, yes, yes. The Apple laptop? The white plastic one? The white plastic one. She had a huge one of those in her bag and she didn't want to show me the video. She made it on like...

whatever apple program you can edit things on and like she just was schlepping that around in her bag and like was embarrassed to play it and um like the the one that you see to this day was like she had on her right whatever that program was for months you know like i made it on photo booth yeah that makes sense yeah however many hundreds of millions of plays on youtube yeah but she fully she made that whole thing you know It's crazy. That is crazy. I mean, I think that that's knowing what we know now. It makes a little more sense. You know what I mean? But you never got into it? You don't like the music? Honestly, I really like it. I'm not just gassing you up. I like the stuff you guys did. Now I'm kind of just like, I try. I try because I want. It makes sense for me to like that. That is the kind of stuff I do like. But I just can't get into it. I don't know. I've tried. And I'm not even like a hater. I just don't understand. On what planet are you not a hater, first of all? That's starting. I mean, specifically with Lana is what I'm saying. I mean, I'm not as much of a hater as I am honest when it comes to musical stylings, but you just have been involved in a lot of stuff that I like to make fun of. You're lucky in that way. You're lucky. You hate all the artists that I've had my biggest successes with. Yes. I love that. No, no, no. That's what keeps the relationship spicy. I love the last decade of bumping into Chris and he's like, yeah, you worked on time. Yeah, I hate that. That shit is good. It's not good. Not good at all. Thanks, man. No, no. I'm very supportive. Just imagine what he says about Janka Antonov if it makes you feel better. I love... I'm happy for your success, and I also love all the stories I got to hear because you've been in the lab with a lot of big personalities. It could be some jealousy because I feel like all those names that he'll name in a voice of hatred also happen to be ones that are very rich and successful. Yeah, that definitely plays a part in it, whether I consciously decide that or not. What's your favorite top ten pop?

thing that's in the today's zeitgeist right now yeah what do you really like that's like a big just i really i really like board popping zach brian i really like zach brian and he's like as big as it gets without being yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean like it's huge but like he's also doing a song he like has a song with bonnie bear now you know so it's getting into that zone pretty cutting cutting edge to do a bonnie bear song too hasn't been done by a big artist in a long time I don't mean it. I don't mean that it's cutting edge. He's shaking up the system big time. I mean, a guy that's considered a country artist, it's a little... But that's the thing. That's my... I wonder if he's got the stones to work with The National. That would be insane. Does he have the stones to get Dressner out? To go real, real deep in the bag. The National have some unbelievable records, but I also think that they suffer from this thing where it's like... I think Wilco Subverson is too, where it's like, it gets branded dad rock and the crowd sucks. So I'm not, I'm not talking, I'm not shitting on their music. I just mean a lot of giant artists have pulled from these like kind of more. Yeah, totally. You know, totally like wildly talented bands, but it's not like a new Kanye did that shit 15 years ago or 10 years ago. It may, it almost makes more sense for hip hop than it does country somehow. Even, even though like. I know like on paper that doesn't make sense, but I feel like that, that it's like Kanye Bon Iver really worked like James Blake and you know, whatever, all that shit works. But it seems like almost more of a stretch to do it with country somehow, even though it's more similar musically. So similar though. I've never heard him do anything bad ever. That guy is Justin Vernon. He's unbelievable. Yeah, it's unbelievable. No, he's got this. He's got the sauce. Yeah. I mean, I think he's also kind of protected himself and like gotten. really really big but isn't in the mix at all and you have to go to him yeah i believe like i don't i don't think he'll go anywhere yeah yeah so i think that that i think that that also helps protect the kind of mystique go to a gq party here and there probably of course yeah i mean he's not crazy he's a meal who's who's your who's your top 10 right now sexy red and who you got yeah scissor come on what

You mean like top 10 who's right now? Chris is not disputing her place on the top 10. He is just not a fan. You make records with her. That doesn't count. We need a non-biased. I didn't make Kill Bill. That's my favorite record of hers. I didn't have anything to do with that. She was incredible. I wish I made that. She can sing her ass off, but I don't get her either. I love her voice, but I find the records just be kind of boring. That's crazy. I'll give you Lana, but, you know, that's, oh, my God. That's insane. I will not give you Lana. It doesn't grab me in any way. Like, I think it's good, and it's sonically, the quality is very high, and her voice is amazing, and the range is there, but I just don't want to listen to it. Like, I don't feel drawn to listen to it. You know what I mean? Chris doesn't have the part of his body where he needs music to get ready to go out with his girlies. His body does not require that music the way most people do. Yeah. I mean, I love... I mean, I do love... We talked to Wyatt about this, but Lady Gaga, I fucking love. You guys just did... You did Wyatt on the pod? We had Wyatt on the pod pretty recently, yeah. And like... I was making my case for Joanne and how good it is. And if the movie would have come out before that album, that album would have been a hit. But because of the timing, people were like, they didn't get it. People were scared of it because it was quote-unquote country. That was her in Rainbows. Did you guys talk about me? We might have talked about you. Yeah, it seems like we're kind of collecting all of you guys. We got Ronson coming up. We got you. We got Wyatt. There's a couple more. There's just been a lot of shots fired. That's why I wanted to shit on Ignacio earlier because you guys were saying negative stuff about me. Have you had a lot of shots fired on How Long Gone? I don't remember firing. I've had a lot. A lot. One man's shot is another man's dog whistle. Because I know that we'd run into you and we'd be like, come on the pod. And you would be like...

no fucking way I'm going on your podcast, guys. And then we would mention you over and over again, and then we broke you down over the years. I'm a fan of the pod. It's just because Chris doesn't like any of the stuff that I make, so I figured we would get into like a weird... No, I don't. That's exactly what's happening. That is not true. Yeah, but arguing with Chris, I've made my fortune arguing with Chris about everything. That's the whole point of this. He said stuff on Twitter, though, that's so horrible about people I'm so close to that I'm like, How can I ever do this? Emile, it's not personal. Our relationship is important to me. I value your friendship. I don't take it personal at all. I like it. I like to talk shit, but I mean, you know, I'm like, how can I? You get it, but your team has told you to maybe distance yourself from the Chris Black personality and brand as a whole. Do you want to see my team? Look at this as the team. For listeners at home, there's a gray cat sprawled out. Look at this asshole. Tummy up in the prone position. That is the boss of the house, you can tell from that stance. Looks like Emil after a couple rounds with Ignacio, am I right? When he choked me out. Talking about my Adam's apple. No, he really did some damage, man. That guy, he's not a good jujitsu expert or anything, but he probably learned that one weird move. Well, he's from the streets, you know what I mean? I know you're from Buffalo, but he's from the jungles of Uruguay. It's different. Uruguay. They've got to learn different. But also, very similar, you know that quote, the Mike Tyson quote, everyone's got a plan until they get hit in the nose? Yeah. Kind of similar to the Adam's apple damage. When you feel that closing in, you go into a panic mode. Fight or flight. We obviously had a lot to drink, so I didn't notice it at the time, but it was the next day that I really did feel damaged. Yeah, the effects wore off after the alcohol did. Yeah. How is the new place in New York? Is it finished? Yeah, it's nice. I don't know, though. I don't know the next time I go back to New York, to be honest. You have such a hot and cold streak, I feel like. I know. When I see you here, you're excited and you're locked in. You're loving it. And then I feel like you go to L.A. and you're just like, I don't need this. Well, Emil, if you ever...

want, you can do a close friends post story and sublet your New York house. I would be glad to stay there because I can't afford the Carlisle every time now. Who can? No one can. It's cheaper to buy an apartment than it is to stay at the Carlisle every time you come to New York. Any hotel in New York, even a dump, it's just so expensive to stay the night in that zoo. Which is why you might as well just stay at the Carlisle. Am I right, guys? It might as well. What difference does it make? I was going to say I just wouldn't stay uptown. I don't see the... But I guess if you're in a relationship, it's kind of romantic to stay at the Carlisle. But if you're single, you're not staying at the Carlisle. Yeah, it's not a good pussy hunting home base. No, no, no. Let's just take the Uber for 45 minutes. We'll be right back at my place. Or dong hunting, or dong hunting. Go get the corner bistro burger, though. No, I'm sorry. J.G. Mellon. J.G. Mellon Burger. Oh, J.G. Mellon Burger. Is it that good? I still think about it. I've only been once. Or do people just want to take the picture? It's so good. It's exactly what you want. It's just simple, clean, great martini. To me, it's New York's version of the Double Double where it's just impossibly simple burger and you don't know how they do it, but as soon as you finish it, you're like, I could eat another one. I don't know why, but I just love it. And they have martinis. Where do you guys like to eat in L.A. lately? Anywhere good? Nope. Same place as I always eat. Which is what? Air One? Yeah, Air One. Grill on the alley. I really like going there. I really like that place. Do you go for dinner? Yeah, all the time. It's a power lunch. Yeah, it's a good dinner spot. In the intro, I was saying I went to a power lunch today at Michael's in Midtown. And I feel like it's just... It feels different in New York. I don't know. L.A., it's like Hollywood power lunch. I don't understand it in the same way, maybe. The grill on the alley does this weird thing I like where it's like a burger patty on eggs. It sounds disgusting. It looks even worse than it sounds, but it's delicious. Is this a breakfast thing?

Yeah, it's like a hamburger with eggs. It's their special thing. It's for, like, geriatric. Like, Cary Grant used to order this in 53. Yeah, with a side of, like, A1. And it's pretty bomb, actually. I mean, it's not too far away from a Hawaiian-style loco moco. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Over rice. I love that. loco moco what is that is that the feminine version you do what is that loco moco yeah yeah jason jason's gender inclusive so he tries to kind of make sure everything's for everybody i support female chefs no i mean is that what you you've you feminized you said mocha instead of moco it's loco moco if i did say mocha that was an accident but now i'm like is there a chocolate element you know what i mean no it's uh There's not. What is that? I've never heard of this. Chris, it's like a Hawaiian kind of sloppy 2 a.m. hangover drunk food. It's like Hawaiian poutine, but it's like white rice. Burger. Hamburger patty. fried eggs and then there's like a gravy kind of brown sauce that pours all over it. That sounds delicious. I don't even eat shit like that. Any egg over white rice is going to be good, right? Oh, absolutely. Do you go to all the crazies? Do you go to all the Szechuan and stuff in LA or are you over that? I do. It's just too far and I like to drink and I drive. It's just too far. It's delicious. Bistro now, that place is incredible. Yeah, but Eric's car has the auto drive, right? I refuse. I would rather drive drunk than be in one of those EVs with the auto drive. It's so scary. I'm terrified of that, too. Why do you find it scary? I don't know. I think it's a control thing is probably what a shrink would say. It's so scary. Yeah, it's a control thing. I don't like it. Yeah, I really don't like it at all. Yeah, it's like being in the car while a woman's driving. Whoa. Don't trust this. We're throwing stuff at the wall. I go out there a little bit, though. There's some spots, but it's just too far. Much like most things in L.A., you drive an hour.

And then it's over in [redacted address] an hour back. And you're like, was that really? All right. I don't want to hear your review. Were those Mariscos really Jalisco enough for that to have to drive through downtown? Much a process to try to get it. And then that one's good because, no, there's a lot of different things you could do to make the trip. Yeah, right there. You could do some shopping. You got some home goods stores around there. And you got like a Dover Market. You know, that's a good 20 minutes of wasting your time. I could get a new candle. But going out to, you know. alhambra to get chinese food there's not much else you're really going to do except for maybe sure do a bang bang and eat two meals but that's kind of yeah see what see what if there's a new boba offering when's the last time you did a bang bang what time is it not too long ago i love a bang bang i might do one tonight it's always when people come visit that don't really know la and they want to get a lot of stuff in yeah yeah yeah in one go you got a few things you want to show we got to go to kismet and kismet rotisserie stuff like that yeah Exactly. Bang, bang, bitch. I say this about Jason, and it must be true about you too. Do you think you have a different maybe – Like, are you blessed with a certain kind of digestion that allows you to do these culinary adventures? Because, like, if I ate two meals, I would just feel awful, or are you just able to deal with the feeling awful? If I ran two miles, I'd feel awful, but you do it enough and you get used to it, all right? Yeah, exactly. Quit being such a little fucking pussy. Sorry, I can't eat avocado toast and yogurt back-to-back. You know, that's crazy. Whereas I can't have them not together. When I feel really good, it's a shock to the system. So it's like, you know. So you're saying your baseline is not great? When your body feels good, do you find yourself in disbelief? Yeah, like, what the hell? Take me to a chicken spot immediately because this is weird. Throws me off my square. When's the last time you did a cleanse, like a juice cleanse, a fast, a broth?

kind of thing. A little reset. Nebuary 32nd. I did a big one. Big. No, I never did that. Are you crazy? Why? How long have you been living in L.A. for, bro? I mean, why? You got Dookie in there from Buffalo. What's the point? I don't get it. For what? So I can be miserable? The same way that you need to do a vacation to reset the brain, reset the habits, the processes. I have enough things that make me miserable. Don't fuck with my diet and my drinking. Are you crazy? I got enough that I got to stress out about. Okay, okay, okay. I got to add something else that makes me miserable on top of all the shit that's already there? No way. Yeah, that's the only joy I get is adding stuff that makes me miserable on top of it. Without pastrami and natural wine, this house of cards would tumble is what you're saying. the natural i don't place any alcohol yeah we can have that but we can talk about natural wine because you are a wine master i'm not a wine master but you're well versed in in the juice well i wanted to i wanted to bring up a story that i heard about you emil okay just quickly where this is gonna be a long episode i gotta already tell there's so we have to edit out 80 of this so let's make it five hours so we get that 20 of gold that's how it works emil I heard a story from an unnamed source that you were invited to kind of a big boss, like Jay-Z wine night, and you bought a very expensive bottle of wine because you're like, oh, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. That's like the one thing. The one thing? You know, I can't. Yeah, I can't. Don't touch that. Okay. Oh, fine. All right. It's okay. We already told the story. I'm an open book. I'm an open, open book. But, yeah, I've been caught out there in some situations where I pulled up with, like, you know, bottles I wouldn't normally buy, let's say. And they're kind of like, that's cute. Thank you. We'll put that in the guest room. Yeah, exactly. That's all I wanted. That's the only point of the story I love is that you're like.

damn, I really did it. This is so nice. I've spent a lot of time on this. And they're like, yeah, our cleaning lady can take this one. I was thinking about getting that for my daughter. It's so cool. But you know I cook. I host a lot of dinners, so I imagine something similar happens. Like the flip side is people pull up to my grave and I got all my stuff figured out and all my wine that I want to serve with this certain thing. And then somebody put a lot of time and effort into selecting a gift wine that I push to the side. I would never bring a gift wine to your home knowing that you had a plan for the evening. I wouldn't want to. But I think my question is, does Emil communicate that information on the invitation that the wine is already sorted? Oh, you do? Okay. I tell people to bring olive. I think olive oil is the greatest gift that you could always bring. Because if you bring a shitty one, it's fine. If you bring a good one, even better. But you can bring the... the gelson's one and it's still but don't pull up with the 365 olive oil that's disrespectful right no i like that one that's the good that's a good one no okay okay no he said so you're there is no wall okay oh no no no i was thinking of the you're yeah no Don't pull up with that one. Okay, okay, okay. What's the one I'm thinking of? The one you get at Whole Foods, but it's the Brooklyn guys. You've got the restaurants. Oh, Frankie's 457. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. I'm talking about the one you get from Whole Foods that costs surprisingly $2.99 for a ball of olive oil. Don't pull up with that. Yeah, I agree. Don't pull up with that. No, it's known as the greatest gift you can give somebody because, like you just said, high or low. It's always going to get used. It's always going to work. Yeah. We're wine. It's, it's just, it's too tricky. I think people are too snobby about it. Yeah. It's like buying someone clothes. It's like, there's too many specifics involved where it could go wrong. Just bring whatever you want. Like, and then you open it and deal with it. I don't, it's, it's annoying when you have to be, when I have to be the one that deals with it, when it's your like special thing that you're interested in. Like I brought you this gift. Now, could you chill it to 53 and then decant it in four hours?

dinner i'll definitely pull up with my own wine but i'll sort it out like i'll open it and pour it for people and you know i'll deal with it you know i don't want you to deal with it it's like you got enough yeah that's that's that's a good way to look at it it's less less work for the host which is always nice okay so where always can chris and i get an invite to one of these dinners you guys are always invited you've been to I've been to several of these dinners in my life. No, you've invited me to a couple, but the timing never worked out. But all that is to say I would like to come. The heyday was Bleecker Street, though. I feel like that was a headier time. Maybe it's because I was on drugs. You were on a lot of drugs. Chris would smoke a blunt to the face the second he walked in. Like a giant, giant split to the face. I remember being so high and being sat next to George Kondo and just making small talk about him having a driver downstairs and just being like, this is fucking crazy. What is going on? That must have been a riveting driver. Well, I mean, it was. Well, it was like, yeah, I'm like, why is there a Rolls Royce idling outside? Bentley. Oh, it was a Bentley. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a choice I would make, obviously, if I was at a certain point in my life. But I also find it wasteful. Me too. Yeah, me too. I would do that. My driver is nice. But yeah, that apartment was special. And I feel like that was during your... That was like right around the time your album came out, right? No, it was before. I was in L.A. already. Oh, you were? Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I feel like people... I was... I feel like that record that you made, like under your own name, was... I loved it. I still listen to it. I think it's great. And I think that the... the like guests and the way you did it it just seemed like a real moment in time though i don't feel like you want to do that ever again so lana del rey thumbs down but my double wood solo album chris is a big fan of i get it well it just it just had it's got some slaps and it's also like the i mean the guest stars are crazy like that's an insane i think this is the first time chris has complimented my music in the history of our 10 year plus relationship

No, I love those Twigs demos. Those Twigs demos fucking slap. Those are good. The Lost, the Lost Emile Twigs album. So fire. I know. I know. It's unreal. She's insane. There's some songs in the safe. Drop the flock files. Oh, good. That was because you, I remember you played that for us at the old studio, the one in Chelsea. Yeah. And I was like, this is fucking crazy because she was like on her. I mean, she was unknown at that. Totally unknown. Yeah. She was like living on my friend's couch and like we were making these demos that were just. Some of them are so insane. No, that shit slaps. No, that slaps. Don't do that, Emil. Also, you know I'm a big Adele head. You know I'm an Adele stan. I didn't know that. And a Father John Misty stan. Yeah. Are you kidding me? Father John Misty, for sure. When you told me the story about... Didn't you... You guys did a song with Post Malone? Yep. And what... What did you... Was this in the same room? Yeah, big time. We partied that night. It was a party. I was going to say, I'm surprised that you guys made it out alive. I thought at least one of you... I did it. Dude, I fell asleep in the studio. I was the old guy who fell asleep in the chair of the studio. Like, fully sat up. Damn. Sleeping. Emile Unc. I used to always make fun of guys who did that in the studio. Like, how the hell do you, like, fall asleep with the music on level 10, the big speakers? There was, like, 50 girls that had just come. There's a big club in L.A. across the street, and they all came in, like, after the club. Percocet's a hell of a drug, Emil. No, I didn't do anything. I should have taken some drugs. I couldn't. I woke up, like, the guy, like... what you know 6 a.m and everyone's kind of stumbling out yeah i feel like what are you kids doing i feel like post i feel like post malone and josh are like i feel like they could match energy and be really like lit and you're not really that kind of guy so i feel like you maybe you were letting them do their thing until it was your turn and you just kind of fell asleep what's funny about that is that's when father john misty he's doesn't

really drink or smoke cigarettes or do any drug he doesn't really do any of that anymore and he had quit he was off of all that but he came in saw the environment and he was just like give me a fucking cigarette let's go and he just you know back to chain smoking drinking he did it for one night to cut that song and then was able to turn it off after that session it's kind of amazing like he just got into character and did it like i'm gonna do a year's worth of smoking in one four hour chunk yeah it was impressive i mean i i feel like when duty calls you don't have a choice in that kind of situation it's it's gonna be better for everybody if you just do it that's why i love the entertainment industry it's like this every day we did a bunch though we did we did lady gaga record together me and father john misty did you i should play you the demo that he did of the one that's on that album the the with joanne on it there's like a demo of Him doing the song. I mean, that's my favorite. My favorite Lana Del Rey song is Buddy's Rendezvous, but the Father John Misty version. That's my favorite. That shit is unreal. I haven't heard it. Is that new? You haven't heard it? No, it's his song. Oh, she covered it. She just covered it, and it became big, obviously, with her. Chris liked the OG. I liked the OG. He wrote a thing for Beyonce, too. He's such a good writer on Lemonade. Oh, really? Yeah. He wrote the verses of Hold Up. Oh, shit. That's pretty serious. Yeah, more like Mother John Misty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but re-listen to that and you'll hear the lyrics. I mean, you know, it's a collaborative thing, but he really kind of led the charge on the lyrics for that. He put his little cardamom on it. Where's that Post Malone song? Is that on his record? Yeah, it's on... Post just put out an album, so it's the one that came out. It was the one before that. It's the one before that. But I do... I remember you telling me... about Adele. Didn't Adele come to the chateau? Yeah. And she was singing in the... It was like... Because I had a studio in the hotel. I thought this... When you were making your record, I knew you turned the room into the studio. I went. I remember... Because you had speakers installed. Yeah, I know. You're such a dick. I remember I went over there and I was like...

I feel like I can smoke in here. I'm not even going to ask. And I was right. You felt that way in my house, too, though. I encourage, because I'm such a reformer. I still love smoking cigarettes. Well, you're a secondhand fan. I love, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big time. I miss smoking so much. I'm like, please, please, please smoke around me. Yeah, I love it. That night of your, yeah, Jason was like, another ashtray, my lord. It's really cool if you smoke. People look at you like you're completely insane that you allow smoking in your house now. That's how, like, taboo it's gotten. Well, because you're the only person. person i've ever met in my entire life it is rare i don't get it though like why wouldn't you i'm with you though but you are you are really taking one for the team and jumping on the grenade by allowing because i love the idea of smoking in the house i would never want to wake up the next morning and have my house smell like it i would go crazy i'll go chris black mode no but i've always uh because such a i smoked so much that i've always stayed away from fabrics that keep the cigarettes in okay see a lot of wood a lot of leather Smoking in a room at the Chateau feels like it's – they allow that. I feel like that's an understood thing. If these walls could cough. Yeah. Am I right? That's the worst thing that's happening in that. Yeah, there's more. But you had – did you have speakers? Like did you have like a full – were the speakers like installed? Like somebody had to move those in. Dude, it was – I think you're like – glorifying the studio situation I had in there. It was a pretty janky home studio setup. I feel like the speakers were too big. That's what I remember. They were just some regular ass. Speakers, they weren't any special. No, not even special or good. I just felt being, like, damn. Chris thought there were some big old dance hall reggae stacks. Exactly, yeah. But you had two Yamaha NS10s and, like, one reference on it. I had Devin Ohas. Yeah. Color coordinated speaker tower. Actually, well, because Chris is asking about these songs, and sometimes you remember, sometimes you don't. After having sold your masters, do you not?

keep up with the statistics of the songs and streams and what's going on? Or do you still watch them from afar, like the kids after the divorce? Like, oh, that song's doing good. That's nice. I've never paid attention to that. I'm terrible at that kind of stuff. It's like accounting. Like, I don't know. Who the hell knows? I have no idea. Who the hell knows? Occasionally. But to me, it's like, if I have hundreds of songs out there from all these big stars, to me, that's just like the stock market and you have all the stocks and you're just like, every day, could be a jackpot you know that sounds fun and exciting i guess i've never sometimes i'll go on spotify and look at artists i've worked with and you know it'll show the five songs and it'll actually show how much it's streamed but i've never right i don't know i haven't i haven't paid attention to that kind of stuff i'm sure i don't look at jason loves numbers i could care less i'm an artist like you emil i mean i guess they call it mailbox money for a reason you just it shows up one day and you're like huh $700,000. Sick. I'm sure there's some people that really pay attention, and that's probably not very healthy. But, you know, if you don't need to. I guess you pay somebody to do that for you. Yeah, if you don't need to, why would you? I don't think people, I don't know too many people who write songs who do that, though. Oh, I don't think it would be songwriters. I think it would be artists or producers, not songwriters. Or producers, yeah. I don't know producers who do that. That's good. Who are like, man, did you see the numbers? I've never had that conversation. I mean, if something comes in number one or whatever, you're like excited, obviously. Yeah, then it's obvious. But like to come with some actual statistic on like a streaming thing or, you know. Before we go, I know that when we met, you had done the stuff in Hawaii with Kanye. Yep. And I feel like that was really a time that people were so fascinated with. And was that like a sweatshop vibe or was it fun? I would never say working with Kanye was fun. That's not a word that, you know. But it was amazing. Incredible. Inspiring. Because of the people that were gathered and what came out of it, because that's considered his best record by most people. You know what's funny? Now it's not. People younger, now it's Yeezus. Bar none. When I talk to producers who are younger than me, they're so Yeezus. That's the end-all, be-all. They think Twisted Fantasy is not even in the conversation with Yeezus. Yeah.

Because people are really into sounds now, and Yeezus created multiple genres in one album. Yeezus just sounds like right now hip-hop still to this day. It completely does. Totally. I remember when Yeezus came out, I thought it was, for Kanye's standards, a little mid. Me too. Listening to it now, like, oh yeah, Black Skinhead is the best produced, one of the top. three Kanye productions of all time, but I didn't quite feel that way at first. I guess I'm going to go back. Now it makes a lot more sense. It was ahead of its time. No, I did know that young people thought that, but I guess that I don't. Yeah. Yeah, I knew that now that you say it, but it seems like, I don't think it would be fun either, but I guess when something is not fun, do you just have to focus on the result being good to get yourself through it? I guess it's different when you're young and like, I was just so excited to be in the room with. Kanye and Havoc from Mobb Deep and RZA and Pete Rock and every young up-and-coming guy at the same time. It was crazy. Nicki Minaj was just saying random shit on songs over an Apex Twin sample. It was sick. The Apex Twin sample was so good. I still listen to that Apex Twin album a lot because of that, the piano album. Yeah, me too. But the Chris Rock, I need to edit without the Chris Rock. Oh, yeah. Intro to Blaine Game. Yeah, you could probably. Jason can do that. I can use artificial intelligence to create that in a matter of seconds. Can we take Chris Rock off the Blaine Game? Because I always have that on a playlist and it'll just... Chris Rock will come on for four minutes. Those ones are not evergreen. They really aren't. Those do not age well. Also, when we saw 50 Cent, wasn't there a Chris Rock introduction? Yeah, there was. It was for Busta, or was it for 50? We saw 50 Cent at Crypto, Emil, and he was amazing. I couldn't believe how good he was. Amazing. I couldn't believe how good it was. But they played a sample, and it was Chris Rock like, you motherfuckers are ready for this bullshit. You want us already? Yeah, just like. 50 is a testament to the artists with the most longevity are funny as hell. And his sense of humor, he's so fucking funny, and he's kind of self-deprecating, and he's not, like, he doesn't seem to have much of an ego, and he pokes fun at himself, and he pokes fun at everybody, and that's just, it's so good. He's so good on Instagram. No, he's so good. I agree. But the show, I guess I just didn't know what to expect. I thought it would be, like, funny.

but it was, like, better than most big hip-hop shows. His stamina, his breath control for a man of his age? Yes. And he's got abs. He still can't dress for shit. They, like, look hilarious. Like, they just look so funny. No, you want him to be wearing a baby blue velour suit. Yeah, no, I know. I know, I'm saying. G-Unit Tech Talk? It's hilarious. What's the name of your... What's the name of your men's advice column, Chris? It's not for men. It's for everyone. It's called Pulling Weeds every Thursday on GQ.com. Okay, so what would PullingWeeds.com suggest that 50 Cent wear as opposed to what his current choices are? Very good question. What would you suggest? Very good question, Emile. No, I like – I'm saying it's funny. It's funny. A relaxed fit chino from J.Crew? Yeah, some giant fit chinos and some like – We could do croc boat shoes. Boaty tank top on at this point. It's a little cashmere camel. A lot of camel. Boaty tank top on at this point. All right, Emil, we've got to wrap this up. We've got to wrap this up. I've got to go. We could do this all day. Thank you, Emil, for joining us. uh it's been a pleasure and this is long we'll have you back on for a round two again we could definitely go rounds pause but at a certain point we got to pull the plug because this is getting edited and uploaded tonight and yeah we only got so much time there's only so many hours in the day this is live this is live tomorrow if you need an engineer bro i can i can move keys i can move the keys all right i do and if you guys i do um uh if you guys haven't streamed uh The album that we're talking about, Emile's album that we're talking about, which is what, like 2015, Emile? 2014? It wasn't that long ago, wasn't it? Next week, next week. A big, big, I'll put it on my Instagram. A big record's coming out next week. That'll be exciting. Give us, give the How Long Gone audience a tease, bro. Give us a morsel. I can't, I can't. It's too early. I even checked. Is it a song? It's a song, yeah. But it's a song that's leading to an album that's kind of special. It's coming out the 20th. Okay, great. I even asked today, I was like, can I talk about this on this podcast? And they're like, it's almost. They're like, no, how long gone? It's too big. It's going to go viral. If it was Marin, we'd let you, but not how long gone. All right, Emil, thank you for joining us. We'll see you soon. I can't wait to sample your beef. Later. Bye, guys.

Bye. Bye. Bye.