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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Chris Black coming to you live and direct from a rainy Gotham City. Jason Stewart left to his own devices in Glendale. I don't even want to know what you've been doing, but for the sake of the program, you're going to have to share with us, I think, what's been happening over there at the empty nest in Glendale. Speaking of being left to my devices, I am using my iPad, my iPhone, as well as my MacBook Pro to jack off in the sauna. Okay. That's right. I'm home alone, baby. Remember a couple episodes I was like, this sauna? Think about the difference between my sauna and a gay sauna, no cum in it. Things have changed. That's all changed now, bro. Things have changed. So you're left to your own devices. You don't have your daily chores to do. You already eat like shit, so I know you're not. No, no, no. I have more chores. It's fucking bullshit. Okay, so you have a honey-do list that was left for you of things you kind of got to do around the house. Is that what you're saying? I give out the honey-do list. I'm the honey. I'm the one. My chick. My fucking fiance, she's the house man who'd never do anything, leave the toilet seat up, and I'm the one who has to do it all. I got to get these kids off to school. If I don't do it, who will? Okay, well, I'm living my life. So for listeners at home, my girlfriend is out of town for a few days before we go to London. But I just want to be clear on this. Jason's made a big – I'm not bringing this up because I want to. I'm bringing this up because Jason had to let us know that he was home alone, like he was going to be like –

smoking fentanyl and watching rick and morty in his underwear but he's he's saying he's saying my guess is he's been doing exactly what he always does which is edit this podcast drag a kettlebell around and maybe use the sauna that's my guess has there been any behavior that this kind of outside of the norm no the only thing that's changed is that i'm not cleaning up the mess that i make okay so the dish the the sink is full of dishes the laundry the laundry is piling up yeah um and that's that's fine i mean i i know it's totally fine because it's it will be done but i like to edge those chores so i like to feel for just a brief fleeting moment what it's like to have a dish filled sink laundry that's piling up whatever you know garbage cans need to get brought in haven't done that i like to let it kind of just sit and marinate for a little bit simply because i can and then when it's finally you know like 30 seconds before my girlfriend walks in the front door I'm putting the last dish into the cupboard. Nobody would ever be the wiser. That's truly what gets me off. Until she comes home with her new white gloves that she bought and starts running her finger on top of the Sub-Zero and sees a little dust. I'm way ahead of her. She walks in the front door. Hey, babe. I got the sauna started up for you. Hey, babe. Is it weird? I got you a liquid IV. I know that travel can dehydrate you. Next thing you know. She doesn't know what's happening. Fish King's on the way. Sure. And the last thing she has on her docket is to see if the Sub-Zero has a ring of dust on the ceiling. She can't even reach the top of it. No, you're right. She'd have to get out the Supreme stepladder for that, and that would be – that's a lot of work right off the plane. Yeah, I've been burned by that before. All right, well, we have a few things to discuss before we talk to our guests. You know, I had done my damnedest, as I'm sure you had, to avoid this Madonna tour announcement video, but I got to – seemingly urgent text from nomi fry this morning have you seen this video said nomi i haven't but i'm purposely avoiding it and she said watch it right now and i i just was like okay i have to do it if nomi says i have to do it and it is truly i implore you

Listeners, if you haven't seen this, it is one of the most twisted four-minute clips on the entire YouTube platform, which I think is saying quite a lot. I couldn't make it through the first 45 seconds before my body rejected it. The cast of characters is... I don't know what dirt she has on Diplo, but he did not need to be in there. I think Diplo hit low-key, and he might want to do it one more time just to keep his numbers going up. Damn, would you hit Madonna for the story? I wouldn't. Diplo would. We know Wes, bro. Come on. You wouldn't? You're saying you wouldn't? I don't think so, dude. Just to tell the grandkids. It's too much. Because when you're about to die, you're like, you know, I actually had sex with Madonna one time. They're not going to be like, was it when she was a 60-year-old river troll? No. That's the thing. I'm not even that. I just, I don't, I can't. What she's doing to her legacy is one of the worst. It's going to go down in the history books. She's doing buckle fat addition, not removal. Just to give you. That's called fillers, Jason. That's called fillers. Whatever. She's using the same fillers guy that is fucking like Conor McGregor's cut man or something. Like a little, you know, maybe not the most gentle, subtle touch. No, it's not subtle. But the video features a murderer's row style round table in like the back room of like Giorgio Baldi or something. And it's monsters. Nothing but monsters. Diplo, Amy Schumer. It's DJ Diplo, Florida's own DJ Diplo. Mad decent stand up. Comedian Amy Schumer. Comedian Judd Apatow, rapper Lil Wayne. Notorious Madonna stan. Rapper Lil Wayne. Another comedian that actually hosted Susan Alexandra's comedy fashion show. Does that comedian have a name? I didn't make it that far. I can't remember his name. But it's just like, you know, it's one of those things where obviously Madonna's not paying these people.

But also, why are these people willing to do it for free? Oh, Kate Berlant, whose show I saw last night. Kate Berlant is in it. And Kate Berlant looks deeply uncomfortable. And I think that she couldn't hide the fact that, like, she didn't want to hear Amy Schumer talk about her husband's asshole to the point where they, like, gave her more screen time because I think they liked it, that she was suffering so much. She was just dying under a heat lamp. It was unbelievable. Bro, I mean, that's the whole point of Truth or Dare. It's choogy AF. It's so choogy. But Lil Wayne and Judd Apatow combo is really something that I never thought I would see. And I hate Judd Apatow. Hate. It's so crazy how the world really just kind of gave up on Judd Apatow. Just in the last couple years, he went from being... this comedy legend, freaks and geeks, you know, like, could do no wrong, and now he's just like an annoying dude. His daughters are cool and good actors, like, his wife is amazing, but... I don't know. You got to watch yourself or you're going to turn into an apatow. I mean, I think this is what happens. It's kind of what happened to Anne Hathaway where the world just turned on her for five years and then now they're back and it's no problem. But yeah, look, I mean, Madonna's announcing this tour. It's celebrating an anniversary. I'm sure the tickets would have sold out swiftly without this promotional material being produced. But if you cast this Madonna video, if you or your company was in charge of casting this Madonna video, please reach out to HowLongGone and let us know how you came up with this group of people. I know. I know. They're all Madonna's ideas. It's all Madonna, and she's just like, ah. She has some assistant, and she just growls at them. She's like, get a little way in. You're wrong. How do you know? How do you know, bitch? Madonna doesn't know who. Half of those people are. I'm offering a suggestion and you're offering a definitive yes or no if you do know the answer. Madonna doesn't know who half of those people are. There's no way. How do you know? She knows them. They're all famous. They're not famous, though. That's the thing. Do you really think Madonna's tapped into the comedy community enough to know the guy who hosted Susan Alexander's comedy show or even Kate Berlant? Really? Do you really think she's paying attention? It's very possible. She's an NYC girl. There's no way.

There's just no way. Okay, well, here I have another idea, a suggestion that plays into your theory even more so. I'm reminded of when I went to go see one of the most dumb shows of my entire life when Drake played at Coachella. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. He brought Madonna out and she did that kiss, remember? And everyone was like, oh, what kind of Illuminati ceremony was this? It was like some weird thing. It looked like Drake was there against his will. He didn't want to be kissed by Madonna. And they're saying, like, this is the passing of the torch of a pop star. You know, I'm retiring and I'm passing this blood curse on to you. No. Do you think this is some of the – like, Kate Berlant's people are like – Sorry, Madonna has to play truth or dare with you or else we're going to eat your family. I'm so sorry. By the way, all right, so the comedian's name is Larry Owens. He's very funny. I looked it up. I've never even heard of him. I don't know what's going to happen with this Madonna thing. I don't know where it's going to go, but I don't think it's – I think if Madonna calls, you say yes because you think that literally anything could happen, so fuck it. Why not? You know, it's kind of like I that's why Kate Berlant is there. Diplo is there for just like having sex with Madonna. You do it for the story. No, you're right. You're like, yeah, Madonna. Whenever Kate Berlant goes on, you know, Fallon or whatever. Yeah, that's true. She can tell the real story of what that happened, you know, or when she does her hot ones, one woman show, one person show. You know, I think that like you just you have to say yes for the story, obviously. And I think that that is like. the, the future of celebrity is them all just saying yes to hopefully create something viral. I don't know if that's the future. I think that's the way it's always the way it's always been. Yeah, but it's getting, someone calls big dick calls. You got to answer it, but it's getting, but it's getting more extreme than it ever has been with a little Wayne, Madonna, Kate Berlant and, and, and Judd Apatow breaking bread. Uh, all right, look, we do have a guest today. Guests, uh, um,

They're probably really excited to be on the same festival bill as How Long Gone. I can only imagine that they're... As well as DJ Them Jeans, taking it way back, baby. Doing a festival with a podcast has probably always been their dream. MG&T is an American rock band formed in 2002 in beautiful Connecticut. It's Andrew Van Wingarden and Ben Goldwasser. You know the music. But, yeah, they're playing Just Like Heaven Fest in Pasadena. Yeah, MGMT will be performing at the Just Like Heaven Festival. In addition to DJ Them Jeans and the How Long Gone podcast live, MGMT will be performing their 2007 debut oracular spectacular in full. Nothing but hits, nothing but bops, no skips. i'm excited chris is excited let's give him a fucking zoom this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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general aura. It's that close to Tenants of the Trees, it's giving off a weird aura and vibe. You just don't want to be near it. That's good to know, because I think that when you run into people in LA, it is normally in the grocery store. That's the only place that socializing is happening, really. Because most of the time, obviously, you're in the car. So, you know, I'm not going to look for you there, but if we do run into each other, no, it's natural. Right. You know, that's true. It does happen to me. And there's always like the obligatory, like, oh, we should hang out sometime. And then. Like, it never happens. That's what Jason did when he saw Tom York there. That's the only time. When he saw Tom York there looking disheveled, squeezing avocados, he was like, bro, it's so good to see you. I was like, bro, Kid A changed me. And he's like, I'm with my fucking kids, guy. Come on, dude. Bro, but Maru next week, dude, I'm back in town. Like, definitely at 3 o'clock. We can do it. We can make it happen. So we were just talking right before. about the the madonna truth or dare tour announcement video did you guys see this are you uh familiar with this andrew and ben i didn't see the video all i saw was a photo still of her um which i must admit the last time i saw any image of her she she had like her eyebrows shaved and she looked like a kind of like a mess so i was kind of like okay like that's madonna so so you're saying that she's not looking like a mess right now yeah much much more like in line with something that wayne would be like horny for now i think from wayne's world oh not well little little wayne was also in this video no we're 40 years old our references don't cover that territory bro we are too we are too i just wanted to double check i mean all right it's like when you meet a new boyfriend or girlfriend and you're like i gotta find out what's wrong with them you know like this is too good that's kind of what's happening right now but in the video it does feature lil wayne And they're playing truth or dare with all these celebrities and Madonna's like, I was wondering, have you guys ever done any type of Illuminati music industry ceremony like that where you have to like do something against your own will? I mean, I don't even, it might be that I don't even know that I did, you know, maybe, maybe I'm just like too far.

too far down the rabbit hole and i have no idea oh like you probably did because this feels like because the the smattering of people that have been chosen for this video okay it's it's members of the comedy community it's musicians it's a real real uh interesting choices you know the choices are interesting which makes me feel like there's like a blood oath there's some sort of there must be a benefit to this for doing this for coming to kiss the ring of madonna Because it's not money. You can't give Judd Apatow money. Madonna is the Epstein of music at this point. We can all agree on that one, right, Ben? I guess in some ways. Please don't be nice and play along. That was a full joke. I just wanted to see where you get a temp check. The temp is good, Ben. I was just thinking about that way too hard. I appreciate that. I think more people should come on to a podcast. Somebody asks a bit of an asinine question or something like that, that you take it seriously and try to do a thoughtful answer, even if it is not a thoughtful question. No, I'm trying to practice doing the yes and more. So you do live in L.A. You're right down the street. Yeah. So in your downtime, you've been dabbling in the dark arts then. I've thought about it, actually. Like entering a world of improv or comedy, or do you mean just like show business acting? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Oh, okay. No, I think it's like the most terrifying thing for me to actually like talk in front of people. So I think it could actually, maybe it could be good for me in some way. Oh, okay. So you're looking at this not only as a kind of a hobby, but as a self-improvement project. Definitely not like a... career choice or like something, something like that. It's like when football players take a ballet class to like help make them more rounded or maybe do something that's outside of their comfort zone. Yes, exactly. This is a good, this is a good, I, I, this is a good, good idea for you. Cause I think that that's, um, I think that it would force you out and you maybe could make some new friends as well. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not sure how I would fit in with the, with the improv crowd. We'll see. I texted Ben. I told him to.

kill some time and tell them the story of how I'm using a 2013 MGMT touring MacBook where the battery is either at 0% or 100% and just sporadically spontaneously dies all the time. I was just talking about my budding improv career. That was interesting and cool, Ben, but I would like to get back to this laptop from 2013. I have a number of follow-up questions. I mean, is there not an Apple store over there in Vermont? What's going on? Why are we still holding on to this showpiece? I prefer to use technological equipment that is painful and awful, so it makes everything terrible because I want to just use it less. Okay, so you're using obsolete machinery so that it keeps you from using the machinery. Yeah, but it doesn't work. things like that happen where well it works until you really do need it for something like a like a zoom podcast interview right but if it's just like hey i gotta go do this one thing it's i'm gonna make it as annoying as possible so as soon as you're done with that task as soon as you send an email you slam the laptop like oh it's charming i'm charming you you yeah like you're you're such a luddite it's Really fucking hot, actually. Honestly, it's like, I went to this guy's house. He didn't even have, he had like, he didn't even, his phone had buttons on it. It was so hot. You know how some people have smartphones? He has like a dumb phone. And I'm fucking horny for that shit. Are you, hold on, are you like a light phone guy? Like, how far are you taking this? No, I would be, but in 2011, my foot phone was stolen and held hostage at a skate park. And I went, I drove to meet, the person who stole it uh and he wasn't there and then i i was forced to get an iphone then and but but what he did do throughout that night was text any female contact in my phone like really

really inappropriate things. He was spitting some games. That led to a whole day of a lot of confusion. Hold on, hold on. So you were skateboarding and you took your phone out of your pocket? Yeah, I put it on a ramp or something. This is the most 2011 story I've ever heard in my life. Okay, so you're working on your front side air on the quarter pipe. Sure. And you're a full adult man at this point, correct, right? Yeah, that's what I want to get into. You're not in middle school when this story happened? Yeah, I was 20-something. Okay, so were you a known entity? Did he take it because it was yours, or did he take it because it was a phone? Oh, no, nobody would have done that. It's just theft, a crime of opportunity. A crime of opportunity? Just general theft. It wasn't like, hey, man, you guys wrote. oracular spectacular no three years ago you're gonna play it front to back at this golden voice show i gotta steal this fucking phone there's probably some unreleased bangers on there he was desperate to text neon indian for a remix and he didn't know any other way to get there no instead he texted my like college girlfriend like hey let me see some titties titty pics college girlfriend i'm sure some of them just like never you know wrote anything back and we were just like fuck that guy like 100 100 andrew is awful now yeah god he got he got really weird i also didn't know he still skated that's so weird and this this is before the time of instagram stories where you could just post a little like lol got hacked if you're a hot ass female who was in my phone contact that was definitely not me asking for photos of you nude You just had to hope that it works out for the best back then. That's my usual go-to trial. Sure, sure. You're posting stories like that, whether or not your phone was stolen. You're just taking a shot, just kind of covering your tracks. I did last week. It wasn't actually me. No, it wasn't me. If I asked you for your crypto login, that was not me. I just want to be up front.

Um, my, my phone, I wrote about this actually, but in London there's like a stream of phone, like basically like Nigerian guys would ride by on their bikes and take the phone out of your hand while you were using it and then ship them back. And they would do that. They would get like hundreds a day and they would, so it was like 7am and I'm using my phone, like waiting for the coffee shop to open and the guy steals my phone and I call out to him like, come on, bro. And he's just like, Sorry, mate. That's just how it goes. I look it up, and it looks like tankers full of phones going to other countries these guys are stealing. I think it's chilled out now, but he didn't text anyone, thank God. It can be kind of exciting. I was surfing at Malibu one time, and I had a rental car. I had just bought a really great pair of pants that I was very excited about. Oh, no. Stupidly left the car. The car key in the gas opener. Okay. Classic surfer trick because it wouldn't fit in your wetsuit. What's that called? The gas lid? Gas cap? Cap, yeah. But anyway, I came back from surfing. He was there. I was like, cool, cool. And then just nothing, none of my belongings were there. And including my iPhone. And so I tracked it and I just saw it go south and drive all the way. Like along the highway to Mexico. So you're like, I think they're heading to Orange County. Oh, no, he's going to San Diego. No, no, he's left the country. So does that mean that he or she or they got the key, stole all your shit and like a good Samaritan, put the key back inside the gas cap? Right. They didn't want to do it. I think they just wanted the pants, to be honest. Do you remember what kind of pants these were? They were kind of like loose fitting. charcoal gray i was hoping for something a little more descriptive or maybe even a brand or a skew number but this motherfucker said they were they were loose fitting yeah bro i don't know what size you are were they were they um were they vintage or new though no they were new they were new pants and you know how expensive new pants can get hundreds of dollars you know how expensive new pants can be

I don't know, dude. I mean, there's kind of a scale on that. You know what I mean? I think it depends on your income. My pants are unfortunately going up in price as I get older. That's all the material required. Exactly. All the material required. Pants have, you know, you guys were, we're the same age. You guys were around when pants were very tight, you know, and now they're not. So it's like that extra fabric. Somebody's got to pay for it. Yeah. My friend the other day was saying that the skinny pants. thing like the equivalent today of that which was the thing when we were coming up um is those those pants that are kind of like stove pipe and then they're cut as if where's the flood style pretty much half half calf and then yeah then socks pulled up and then like you know vans or something and they're probably from australia you know what i mean if they're not australian then they're a bike messenger i think now do you spend Ben, you're in L.A., so you see badly dressed people every single day. That's what L.A. is built on. Then again, like, yeah, I don't – but I don't know it anymore because I've lived here long enough. So you're saying that you wear your board shorts and flip-flops down to the gas station like everybody else? No, no. I have zero respect for those people. Okay. Why? What if they just went surfing? Bro, don't do this. I don't live anywhere near the beach. No, I – like – no, I see some of the – like – When people go out in public and run their errands or whatever, I'm just like, how dare you dress like that? Like, have some self-respect. But it's not so much the fashion choices, it's like the lack of, you know, just not even caring at all. Guys, I gotta say, if this were a double date, I think we would know who's fucking who at this point. Wait, I'm so confused by that. Andrew, you and I are gonna have sex, and Ben and Chris are gonna have sex. Oh, okay. Because we're the sweeties, and then Ben and Chris... are offended when somebody's dressed poorly in public. I'm in an exploratory phase of life, so that sounds... Welcome home, brother. Let's just try. Let me ask you a question as a surfer, because surfing is something that people, all of my friends try to get me into, because I'm 40 and I love working out and I'm sober, so it's kind of like it's either jujitsu or that. There's nothing left for me, really. But as a surfer, how often are you driving a car shirtless? Oh, not often, because I...

I live most of the time like a half block from the beach. So I don't drive the surf. I just walk down the street. Did you hear that flex, Jason? Did you hear that flex? I didn't. Yeah, this motherfucker said beachfront property. He said, bitch, I can see it from right here. So you're saying I could catch you sun rising, walking down the street, no shoes, the wetsuit half pulled down with the board under the arm? Is that what we're, are you riding a bike? I prefer these days to. fully suit up the wetsuit. Like, I don't, I'm not, like, feeling confident enough to do half wetsuit. Like, I'm not trying to prove anything. You're a wetsuit never nude. I get it. Yeah. I would wear a wetsuit, like, all the time, actually. If you could. Just, like, that's where you feel the most comfortable. Have you checked out Skims? Is that the computer? Game? What is it? No, that's Sims. Literally the exact opposite of Skims. Skims is Kim Kardashian's shapewear company. Clothes that you wear underneath your clothes that'll make you kind of sucked in and tight and hide maybe some love handles or something. But they make nice skin tone stuff that would work for you. You know what I mean? Do they have neoprene? Is skin tones a little bit problematic, I think, to say? What am I supposed to say? No, wait. What's problematic is the Crayola crayon that was called flesh tone. And it was like kind of white. Yeah. I knew there was something. That does seem bad. I forgot about the flesh colored crayon. But to be fair, it's all pink on the inside. Yeah. You sound like Jason when he's 14. Yeah. Come on. Well, it's that early midlife crisis setting in. So you're saying, so are you guys now? As we're all going through it, Jason's just a little bit older than me, but have you seen, like when you hit 40, did something change? Not just physically, of course, but did your priorities shift? Are you feeling different at all mentally, emotionally, physically? New outlook on life? Yes. I say yes. I think, yeah, it feels good. I was just saying a few days ago that I think one of the biggest realizations is that there's some things I'm just never going to get done.

Instead of being like, oh, someday, you know, there's still an opportunity to do this or this thing I've been putting off forever. And it's just like, at this point, it's like it's never going to happen. That's right. Like you're never going to write that screenplay or something? Oh, yeah. Which is why I moved to Hollywood. Look, I'm never going to play Coachella. You guys can't say that, right? So that's something. Yeah, it's looking up, guys. You guys have probably played Coachella like 4,000 times. I think so. Yeah, about that. Or four. I've never thought of it like that, but I guess the opportunities are starting to dwindle as I creep closer towards death. And I'm glad that you reminded me of that. So you're saying that at 40, I might not have the great American novel in me. You're saying that time might have passed. No, 40 is like young for writers. True. No, but I think it's like a good feeling for me in a way. yeah i can just kind of get on with it i don't have to stress about all these things that i still have to do in my life i can just be like not coast but start to take it easy a little bit you've made peace with failing at life yes exactly yeah welcome welcome brother which is a it's a great feeling it is it's liberating i i hedged my my bets early on by not wanting to accomplish anything Or want to work. I never have wanted to work. We can tell, guys. You make music. We know that you didn't want to work. The goal is to coast. It's cool to coast. It is cool to coast, yeah. I'm not a coaster. I'm a grussler. I'm up at 438. I'm Mark Wahlberg-style in the gym. You're grinding. You're playing Call of Duty. I'm not playing Call of Duty. You've got to see this guy's gamer chair. It's in the other room. It's so sick. I don't wear my headset to podcast because it intimidates some guests. That's why I'm wearing the AirPods today. I think that aging in general does give you some peace of mind, but I think that the goals can shift. I think that it's nice that you guys seem to have a lot of hobbies. You're asking the wrong guy. You surf, bro. That's the most time-consuming bullshit hobby of all time. There's nothing more time-consuming. In my mind, hobbies have to require...

sawdust and like a little tool or something like or like painting a model uh okay you know uss so you're so you have to be into model trains for it to be a hobby you don't think that athletic pursuits fall into that surfing is not a hobby it's like a way of life oh it's like yeah well something can be a hobby and a religion at the same time and that's kind of what surfing is for me But it could also be mushroom foraging or stamp collecting. It doesn't require physical activity or sawdust whatsoever. I think that's more of an interest. Well, here's the thing. If you turn a hobby into... My hobby is splitting hairs. Yeah, yeah. If you turn a hobby into a money-making endeavor, that's something that I tend to do because I'm, like I said, a grussler. Like with your crochet plant hangers, which are doing really well. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. His Etsy site crashed last week. Yeah, check me out on Etsy. You made $25 on Wednesday, I think. Dude, Wednesday is always huge for me. Wednesday is like a big day for me. Hump day rule. I don't know what it is. Yeah, I think that surfing is a good example because you're never going to be a pro. You'll never make money. It's a life pursuit. You're so shitty at surfing, dude. No, no, I don't mean like that. You're never going to be a pro. I just mean you're not a 16-year-old from Hawaii. I'm not trying to shred. Once again, I'm trying to cruise. So are you saying that you might be considered a soul surfer? Not a derogatory term. No, I'm too materialistic to be a soul surfer. Oh, my man. All right, so you guys are spending your little money. I like this. Now we can talk. All right, what are we spending money on? You little guys are spending your little money. You're not a little. I don't mean it like that. You're not a little guy. You're probably over six feet. Look at these little guys spending their little bit of money. I had a friend when I was starting to think about moving to L.A. who started sending me like real estate listings. And they were like so far out of my league. I was just like, like, how much money do you think I've made off of this? Things are going well, but like, what do you really? Yeah, it's going well. It's not going that well. I like that feeling when when somebody like.

really overestimates how successful you are. And they're like, it happened with this guy who has a, he like bought some property in Portugal and he was like, oh, I want to tell you about it. Like, you know, we're looking at investors and in my mind, I'm like, oh, you know, a few thousand bucks. And then I can be a part of this thing. And he's like, yeah, so like the first tier is like four million. And then from there, I'm like, okay, man, like, come on. You're like, all right. Yeah. Thanks for the info. Am I buying the country? Or just a how? Like, how does this work? Yeah, I'm not that guy. Have you guys made any investments in your younger years that did or didn't pay off? Was there like a $20,000 for a restaurant that never kind of got off the ground? Or maybe an energy drink like Celsius? No, thankfully not an energy drink. No, we've been pretty smart. Considering how financially inept I am and not business minded, I think we've done pretty well. It's because we have good. business managers i i think that there's the the temptation to invest uh it seems sexy but often goes wrong you know especially if it's a nightlife or restaurant endeavor yeah that's true but then i do see like musicians who are like around our age who obviously made some really smart choices about like oh maybe i don't want to be touring for the rest of my life and like they got into some other side business and it's going well for them so are you saying that you saw the cover of entrepreneur magazine featuring steve aoki on the show he's been very wise with his investment steve's done steve's done quite well you should check out his new pizza chain i think it's like pretty i've heard it's pretty good like i've heard it's pretty good i have not heard it's pretty good but yeah there are there are people that are like i made a joke about an energy drink because raps flow rida did a deal with this company celsius where they agreed to give him like 1% of revenue in exchange for like helping promote the brand when they were like very, very small. And now the brand is big and he just sued them and won $82 million yesterday or like 50 cent with the smart water and all that shit. Like he made hundreds of millions of dollars. I did actually, I read like a lot of foodie blogs. I'm really into that stuff. So, and I, I read a, a review of Eminem's new.

franchise called mom's spaghetti that opened in detroit of course and they actually said it was surprisingly good really you know what that's that's cool like i like to hear that yeah okay that was their whole they were like he could have totally blown this off and just like cashed in on it and it actually felt like some thought was put into it so you could tell that marshall mathers was in there cranking the hours working on his sauce Getting it just right for the al dente on the spaghetti. You know, the name of the restaurant is actually a reference to a lyric of his. Dude. Okay. Andrew's starting to get it. I like it. I like it. Dude, that's... Eminem and his Nona were in the lab just sampling sauces. Nona mothers, please. It is my sauce. Okay, I wanted to go back to fashion. We're in the middle of Paris Fashion Week right now, I'm sure. You're not physically in the middle. We are as a culture and society. He looked over his shoulder. I don't see it. If you get the Vogue app, you can check it all out on there, but it's a little buggy during Paris Fashion Week, of course. Have you guys, I'm sure you guys over the years have been involved in fashion shows like where you guys did a live thing or they used your music or you scored something, anything like that go down? I'll tell you what went down one time that was one of the best moments of my life. I was sitting on my ass. I don't know. I think Ben was sitting on his ass kind of at the same time, not together at the same place, but we were doing that and not touring, not doing anything, not really making money. And I got a text message from him. a new york cell number and it was like am i allowed to legally tell us it was the designer of gucci and he asked if i would dj a fashion event for like a 30 minute set for a stupid amount of money plus store credit and it was just like out of the blue like just like how did you get my phone number like what's going on kind of i don't care how you got it right right isn't it cool that when you're at the top you can just be like

Get the fucking guy on my phone. Give me his number. I'm going to text him right now. And somebody's like, here you go. Right. And the guy's like, okay, sure. Just tell me where to go. So they offered you a nice chunk of money. You didn't even have to negotiate. You were just like, yeah, let's do it half an hour. This was like the 70s. That was a different time. This is what we talk about on this podcast. Also, we talk about the sink that made you the most money or the sink that you turned down that you regret every day of your life. What did we do? I know that we say no a lot more than we say yes. Oh, really? Now, is that because you have morals or because you're just like, eh? Usually this is something that kind of turns us off about the whole thing. The only thing I'm remembering now because our manager brought it up with me yesterday was that 21 movie that was like our first big sync, like right after we signed to Columbia Records. 21, that's like the card game. Kevin Spacey vehicle? Kevin Spacey's vehicle, yeah. It was about the card counters, right? Yeah, I remember that. So they used it in the trailer? I think they used it in the trailer, yeah. How much money did you get for that? I have no idea. We've had some great stories on this podcast of people turning down staggering amounts of money because they had morals at the time, and now they look back and they're like, that was fucking dumb. I should have absolutely done that. That one, it didn't feel like we really had a choice one way or another. kind of like we're doing this like you guys just got signed there's this opportunity like you have to do this yeah and it's not like that money is like coming into our wallets it's like sure making a tiny dent in this massive amount of money that we owe 80 percent of all income you guys have a nice little nice little publishing deal don't do that to your partners you know let's not do that you're right you're right atv those are great people over there don't do that we're not on a label anymore i also remember those uh when we when we first started hanging out with Sonic Boom, who, uh, worked with us on our second record. And he, he said at some point, like, don't ever like, don't turn anything down. Like talking about how he regrets every time he ever made it. I don't know if he feels the same about this now, but at the time he was like, anytime he ever made a decision based on like red or personal integrity, like, Oh, this is, you know, like, this isn't cool.

And now he's just like, I should have just taken the money. We're generationally people that grew up with like selling out being the worst thing you could do, you know, and now that doesn't exist and no one cares. But you can't have the foresight to see that when you're like 22. Yeah. Have you guys done any influencing work on Instagram or other social media channels? Not intentionally, but we had a song that, I mean, our most streamed song. for the past two and a half years is Little Dark Age, which is because... of a tiktok trend it blew up and like oh really i was unexpected yeah it had nothing to do with us doing anything that's that's the i've heard this i mean this is happening like a lot now i mean that that's what happened to cults like cults i think that song went like platinum so what what was was your song on tiktok was there like a specific thing that people did to your song or it was just popular and everyone loved it i think the first thing was like posing like uh classical sculptures something was it the the dance that was the first thing and it's of course it's like too like a sped up up or slowed down something. Some totally manipulated eight seconds of the song. It's either slowed and reverbed or sped up. I wonder, because we're playing this show for the first show in four years since that song got popular. Are people going to come to the show and be disappointed that it's not a mouse voice going like that? Well, there's so many songs on the new SZA album. And, like, the Steve Lacey album, they'll release sped-up versions of their popular singles on Spotify and Apple and everything just because, like, if they're going to use it, you know, you might as well get paid for it kind of thing. That makes me sad. I don't know if you guys are going to be able to play a sped-up, maybe just, like, play the regular song and then, like, do a sped-up version for the last 10 seconds or something like that, give the 17-year-olds a little taste. Even though the average age of the crowd will be 42, it's fine. Yeah, this is like Sunset Festival. It's like a nostalgia. Almost borderline elderly. Well, it's weird. Dude, it's not Wilco in the Rolling Stones. It's not old Chella. I just bet there's going to be some grandchildren backstage of the artists. We'll see. There'll be a couple grandchildren. There will be definitely people who brought chairs to the festival.

Just in case. Yeah. Yeah, like, how do you guys – is this the first time you guys have played – On a cruise ship? Yes. Andrew said, I'm packing my floaties. Don't worry. It's going to be sick. Yeah, I've been doing this the last few years where they'll have, like, blog house, you know, electro parties, and then it has, like, a very revival kind of feel to it, and I'll DJ them every once in a while. And it feels – I don't know. It feels good and bad at the same time. It's a weird feeling that you can't really describe. I'm glad that people in the crowd are smiling and happy. I'm glad that money is being transferred into my checking account. But there's just something that doesn't even feel human or real about it. I just totally don't know what you're talking about. I am totally spaced out. Like, I forgot what you were talking about. Bro, Edible's kicking in. Edible's kicking in. Well, I'm saying, have you thought about what it's going to feel like? You haven't played a show. You said four years was the last time you played a show? Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. We're back. Andrew's back. So this is the first time when you're like, okay, we're going to agree to do this show. What's it going to be like the first time I go out and I play this album from front to back that's, what, 15 years old now almost at this point? Well, we don't know if we... are required to play it front to back. All they say is play the album. Right, right, right. It's not going to be like your average nostalgic play the whole. Let me just upsell it here. We do things a little bit differently here at MGMT. If you want to check out the front of your venue, I can kind of start walking you through it now. Yeah, like Chris and I went to go see the Lemonheads do They did the thing, and they really did front to back. The album's 42 minutes. We can do it in 38 and get backstage and start chugging beers. Some people just go through the motions, but you're saying that you have something a little more planned. If you think of Storytellers, the Billy Joel episode, it's going to be a little bit more like that. Okay, great. This is good. You guys are going to pull out some stools, talk about your inspirations.

have the producer come out, do some talking as well, maybe, like, fill out the story. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Like, playing the intro to Time to Pretend for, like, five minutes, like, talking about our college days on the piano. Dude, that's so sick. I would do this in a heartbeat. That's so good. This is why Ben has been taking those improv classes, because he's going to kind of have to dance on stage for a little bit while we're hearing... One more time. Okay, this actually sounds amazing. This is a good idea. Thank you for this. That first couple bars gets people excited. So if you loop it, it could turn into kind of a cyclone of energy, and then it really explodes. This is a good idea. Well, the cat's out of the bag. This is what we're doing. My cat was next to me in my suitcase. My cat is in my suitcase right next to him. The cat's still in the bag. Andrew's cat is literally in a bag right next to him. Andrew, what's your cat's name, Andrew, real quick? This one is Batman. She's the older one. Bro, hold on. Okay. Tell me you don't live alone with cats. You got a human out there with you too? Oh, yeah. I've got a human. Oh, yeah. My partner. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because you lived out in the woods. And then there's another cat too. That's fine. Look, as long as there's a human there, I'm fine. I was worried you were out in the woods with just cats and I was going to kind of do a 5150. Come out there and check on you. I don't know what that means, but yes, we're fine. How many people are going to be in the band? How many people do you guys have to rehearse with? It could be anywhere from zero to ten. We don't know yet. Sounds like an MGMT show to me, brother. If we're looking at ten people, we got a horn section? We got backup? Do you think you're Primal Scream with backup singers? What do we got? It's kind of like a David Byrne Utopia thing. 54 people each playing a different note of a keyboard. All right, so it's not the most economical, but it looks cool. Yeah. What are you going to wear? Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about because we talk about that era, you know, late aughts, 2007, 8, 9. The ugliest. It's the ugliest era. Some of the worst clothing of all time. It's got to be something super gaudy. Like maybe I'll get a diamond bandana headband. I was going to say, should we do the headbands? Yeah, but like rhinestones. Yeah.

Or do a little ceremony in the set where we put them on and... go crazy do you have headbands like in the practice space or do you have to source new ones yeah we have a whole storage it's just headbands okay good i have a headband closet american apparel and other brands as well hopefully yeah we have an ibanez we have an ibanez storage closet we have a synthesizer storage closet well you have casual and formal headbands i always love that when you're backstage and someone's got the the wardrobe trunk you know with the full the harry styles looks laid out and i'm like i don't think you're big enough for this but i like that you have we've had that but it just turns into like um everybody's suitcase overflow so it's just like dirty underwear and like random things there's a uh in our wardrobe case it's in our storage space there's still the little glass kind of uh things that they gave to us when we played red rocks oh yeah yeah yeah it's in there and a grammy nomination pendant It was just kind of a catch-all for whatever happens. That's cool. I love the idea of your used tube socks next to the Grammy nomination. Also, hold on. They give you a pendant? I don't want a pendant. I want to win. What the fuck am I going to do with a pendant? It's not even real metal, I don't think. It's just nice to be nominated, guys. I hate when people say that. It's not nice to be nominated. It's nice to win. Let's keep it real, man. It's nice to win. What were you nominated for? Was that for the remix? Oh, yeah, no, the Justice remix. It wasn't even for our own, like, composition, really. Embarrassing. No, it's fine. I mean, when you collaborate with the titans of EDM, what do you expect? I mean, that's, you know. Right. That was a very, very interesting night, the Grammys. Go on. Well, it's just, like, we were so uncomfortable, and we were, our college. friend who was a stylist, good stylist, but he, he put us in these kind of like really ridiculous, uh, like, um, tweed and plaid kind of suit coats. So we looked very odd, very different from other people. And it was just really, our outfits look very, okay. I just, I just Googled MGMT Grammys. Yeah, I see. It looks like on, you guys kind of have like the top is a, is a plaid.

And then the bottom is like a purple animal print. Yeah, it was pretty wild. Somebody else would be wearing the same thing but different. It was Gucci, right? Wasn't it Gucci stuff? Yeah, it feels Gucci-ish. Oh, yeah, I remember. It's not that bad. No, I mean, I like it, but in the moment I was like, oh my god, what have we done? We should have just worn black suits. Why couldn't we just wear a regular black Gucci suit? And then we knew, like, we knew just from... The whole time that we weren't going to win anything. So they were just kind of sitting in this crowd, really uncomfortable. So you're like, I'm here. I'm nominated for a song that we didn't even write. And I'm definitely not going to win. So what do you do? Do you just get drunk? Do you hang out and try to meet famous people? We went to a few after parties. That was fun. And we met some famous people. Kanye West, something like that. No, I think that was the night that we met. Weird Al Yankovic and Ron Jeremy. Two of Hollywood's greatest perverts. And Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper is really nice. He's a known nice guy. I don't have that recollection of meeting him. That's cool, though. Feed My Frankenstein. He's a big golfer. We actually met Adele that night. He was very sweet. I'm a big Adele guy, but I'm kind of offended by her. Vegas residency. I think that those are offensive to the fans. Just in general? I just think that maybe it's because of my... But I think touring is like – that kind of separates like a real band from a fake band in my opinion. Like you have to do it. And I think parking in one place and making people come to you is sort of the antithesis of the whole thing. It's riding your bike with training wheels. It's bumper bowling. There's no – I mean I get it because touring sucks. You guys know that. Like it's like not the greatest thing in the world. But like at that level, it's not that bad. You know what I'm saying? And like I would rather see Adele in New York or LA.

than have to go to Vegas and see Adele at Caesars. That seems... He was saying NGNT Vegas residency, not a good idea. Not a good idea. Well, he's saying that's a good idea, but back in our day, fellas, you would have the Vegas residency, but you would wait until you're an old person in the ninth inning of your career. Adele's, what, 35 or something like that? She's too young. to be doing yeah it's like corgans to get in there i don't yeah i don't know if i mean i did see morrissey in vegas recently and it was sick so maybe i'm wrong like i don't know maybe it's maybe at the comfort of being on the same stage every night brings a better performance i also checked out aerosmith um not bad actually this is something i was thinking about in the sauna right before we were potting but You know how people are complaining about ticket prices for these shows? Taylor Swift or Rolling Stones or whatever, tickets are costing thousands of dollars, and the true fans who can't afford the tickets are being excluded. Do you think we're ever going to be in a scenario where a band will do a tour, and then in each city they play one show? where it's affordable tickets for lower-income fans, and then a second show where it's expensive tickets for their rich and wealthy fans. I have no idea. I could see it. I could see it. Well, that was like when we talked about this before, when the Grateful Dead came back on tour and there was an article about the private jet traffic that was caused every time they played a show because that's who their fans actually are. They're like 65-year-old guys with private planes who's going to see the Grateful Dead. That's what it is. You know, what is, what is the deal? I've never been to Red Rocks. Can you explain to me what is so sick? Is it just the environment? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, but it was like raining sideways when we were there. So it was, it was pretty nuts. Yeah, that night was really strange and cool. But it's, it is like a, well, it's like one of those things that, you know, people talk about it. Like, wow, you really made it. You're like, can you believe we're at Red Rocks? Like that, that kind of thing.

Like, a lot of people were saying that to me on that day, like, wow, you guys, this is Red Rocks. And the rocks are a reddish kind of hue, and I think that's where the name comes from. Okay, but it looks, you know, from the pictures I've seen, it looks quite steep for the audience, you know what I mean? Yeah. Have you seen that video of the guy who's, like... speed crawling like a spider up and down the steps? No! It's really funny. That's cool. Like a weird little Spider-Man pervert guy going a little too fast? Yeah. No, like really, really fast. I hope I made that up. Let me see. Ben, you said you were into the cooking, the culinary arts. My co-host Jason is also... deeply involved in the culinary community. What is your favorite Alison Roman recipe? If you don't mind sharing. Oh man, I'm more, I got really into cooking or trying to cook, um, Chinese food, like, like, uh, stuff that I've had in restaurants. I'm like, Whoa, what is that flavor? Like, you know, getting, sure. Getting into like Sichuan stuff and whatever. And like, um, kind of like trying to recreate that at home. Have you achieved that? A couple of times. A couple of times, I'm like, well, that's actually the thing that I set out to do in the first place. So does that mean you have a nice wok set up over there? I do. Although I'm starting to feel really guilty because I have the high-calorie burners in my house, and now that's evil. Oh, so did you get the real wok burner that burns at super high heat? I mean, yeah, I just have one of those stoves with a huge flame that boils water really fast and releases tons of... carcinogens into the air so um so yeah i mean i'm on a little bit of a guilt trip about that right now yeah you should feel bad about that are you are you actually on a guilt trip about it or are you being are you on a sarcastic one no i've started to read up on it because it's like you know there is some some like famous chefs who are coming out and saying they actually prefer cooking on induction stoves and you know um but i have this really nice stove so anyway that's my life

Yeah, that's my life too. I mean, the cooking, I mean, the gas, the induction, it feels, I don't know, like real induction is super expensive and most people can't afford it. Otherwise, it's just an electric stove, I guess, which nobody even makes anymore. It's an odd hill to die on. Sinks for electric fuel for induction. Now you're talking. The amount of free game we're giving you guys, like talking it out here, is, I mean, invaluable. Also, as the EV market continues to grow, you know, anyone out there for, you know, the all-new Ford Lightning pickup truck? No, it's already been licensed, but it was the Justice Remix that was licensed for it. Nobody's licensed the actual MGMT. No shit. Isn't that weird? That all changes. That all changes today, fellas. I honestly don't even know if I know the Justice remix. I feel like I'm in the dark here. I guess I'll have to go check it out. It sounds like this. It kind of sounds like corn. Yeah. Jonathan Davis from corn. These fucking French guys made us sound like corn. These motherfuckers. It's an iconic song. I've DJed it one too many times, of course. Well, where are you eating in L.A., Ben? What are your go-to spots? Don't say Kismet. I don't know. The place I really want to try now is Mother Wolf, which is like Roman food, and I haven't been yet. We'll take you any time, bro. We've been a lot, and it's good. It's good? It's really good. I mean, it feels like you're in Las Vegas, but the funk man does his thing. I kind of like that. I like that. Yeah, no, it's good. The problem is, and we complain about this a lot. Are there waiters and waitresses named Cornelia? No, no, no. They're regular out-of-work actors. They're regular out-of-work actors. No, but the only problem I have is they play hip-hop, which I hate at restaurants. I don't want to hear that when I'm trying to eat, but the food is great. Oh, yeah. No, I know what you mean. I want to hear some pagan music. Pagan would be nice. No, no. We want silence.

go to Europe. Is it like a little bit, is it a little bit too loud to talk over? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, but it's also just because the place is so cavernous. I mean, it's a huge restaurant and if they're playing three feet high and rising, you know, it's just like, you're going to kind of, it just doesn't. It's like if Balthazar played Nas is kind of the vibe. Yeah, exactly. It's that, it's that size of restaurant. But they're playing, yeah, major look at a pretty high volume. And we love hip-hop music, but, you know, time and a place for it. I wouldn't mind a little, like, a three-piece string ensemble going on if I'm going to be, you know, spending $500 on dinner. That's true. That is something I really liked about eating Italian food in Italy. It wasn't necessarily that they were, like, more precious or fancy about it or something. But, yeah, you just, like, go into a room and eat food. Yeah. That's it. Exactly. Yeah, that's it. That's the transaction. In America, it's like, what's the experience? And in Italy, the experience, oh, we'll give you an ashtray. I think in the U.S., they do it for the servers. It's like the servers are like... Because I also, I went recently to an NBA game, and I was so annoyed that there wasn't a single moment without some terrible, generic, loud music playing. And I was just like, who is this for? I want to hear squeakies. Dude, even baseball games, it's nonstop. It's just pit bull blasting the entire time. It's the energy. It's the attention spans of people. What would happen if they didn't do that? Would the whole stadium just have a mental breakdown? They'd be like, what is happening? There would be a shortage of phone charger stations because people wouldn't. They would just be looking at Instagram or TikTok at the game. But I think it would be cool for Stadium, like one game a season, just be like, here's just an old guy with the organ playing music. That's it. There's no Tyga songs playing whatsoever. Tyga did a song about stealing third base, and we're just going to play that over and over again. Is that a sexual innuendo? Yeah, everything is a sexual innuendo. That's right. Stealing third base, that's like...

So... You don't even have to say it. You don't even have to say it. There's something there. There's something there. And we'll leave it at that. I'll write it down in my notebook. So as we're closing out the pod, when you guys are... We're all kind of hanging out at the festival all together. You know, us artists in the game. You guys may have a bigger trailer Winnebago than we do. Is it cool if we kind of chill in yours and keep our stuff in there? Yeah. I mean, like... Thanks, man. You can eat all of the certain bags of chips, but not the Cheetos, which I will be eating. Are you a Cheetos crunchy or a puff? Yeah. Don't lay a finger on my Cheetos. Damn, you're doing sexy Chester Cheetah again, aren't you? Yeah, I know. That's not even a Butterfinger. I didn't know Chester was sexy like that. You guys can remix Justice songs. As well as potato chip commercials, where does it end? I would love to do voice work for Cheetos. Well, look, let's put that out into the world. Many members of the C-Suite, the Lay's Corporation, listen to How Long Gone, so we should be good to go on that. Ask the universe for what you want. I did. You know times have changed when you're having to share a bill with a podcast, so I kind of wanted to apologize to you guys for that now. You know, it's just I know you guys can play instruments and like do real stuff. So I know it's humbling that we have kind of the Calvin Harris Coachella billing on Just Like Heaven. The whole time I was like, I thought you were like saying like you are the Calvin pissing on like we're the Chevy sign. You were talking about Calvin Harris, but I was just imagining this. Okay, now you just created amazing art that I'm going to have to, instead of editing and uploading this episode, I'm going to have to Photoshop Calvin Harris pissing on a Ford logo. Thanks a lot, MGMT. That's horrible. We ruined our afternoon. One of the listeners is going to make that if we don't, so we have to get ahead of it. We don't have a choice. All right, guys. Thank you for joining us. It's been a pleasure.

Thanks for taking the time to chat. In beautiful Pasadena, you know, whatever day. What day is it? We should know what day it is. Jason, look it up. I know these fucking guys don't know what day it is. Also, I couldn't find any video of a guy's feed crawling up the stairs. Which really disturbs me. Like everything else that you spoke about today, a full figment of your imagination. Yes, that'll be going down Saturday, May 13th, 2023, Just Like Heaven Festival. Featuring Yeah Yeah Yes, MGMT, Future Owlens, DJ Them Jeans, Azalea Banks. The list goes on. So, yeah. Thank you, guys. We appreciate you taking the time. You guys are fun and funny. And two thumbs up from me. All joking aside, if you guys want to hit Mother Wolf, we can go whenever. We love that. Also, yeah, thanks for helping us talk through our future career choices and where to go from here. No problem. Really appreciate it. No problem. I know real men. Real managers kind of get bogged down in the work. We want to work with your current team. We don't want to replace them. You know what I mean? It's all love here, bro. Thank you. This is good. I'm sensing a bright future ahead of us. It's really good. Collaborative. All right, guys. Thank you. We'll see you soon. All right. Thanks.