273. - Patrik Sandberg

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. It's your boy Chris Black coming to you live from Los Angeles, California. Overcast, rainy day here. I don't know about you, but I'm just burning the candle at both ends, Chief. How do you feel? I feel great. No problems over here, buddy. No, I'm just kidding. You said you're burning it. You got just a lot of work stuff or life stuff, fitness stuff? Both, all of the above, Jason. Luckily, Done to Death Projects is having its maybe best year of all time. How Long Gone is thriving, of course. My body feels good except for my right ankle, but luckily I did secure an appointment with... bill over at the undefeated complex for saturday morning at 8 a.m so i'll be back in the game soon okay so where you said work career and physical body are all pretty much doing well but You left something out, Chris. Is this my emotional state? That is part of it. You got to also work on the mental. You got to work on loving yourself so other people can love you too, Chris. I don't want to talk about jerking off on today's podcast. If you could just kind of leave that out, that'd be cool. I didn't fuck him. We just jacked off together. Yeah, but I did.

uh get together last night for some of your famous them jeans tofu which i feel like and i said this to you i think we need to figure out a way to monetize this tofu and and just the the crispiness level for a home cook is you know and there's no air frying bullshit this is tj's method you want so you want to bottle and sell this crispy tofu i mean sure is is it is it so good you could sell it at a restaurant of the answer is yes of course i mean look but I mean, what's the profit margin? Now that we're successful podcasters, is the tofu business beneath us in terms of profit margins? Unfortunately, Jason, I've been alerted today that Carrie Bradshaw is now podcasting. So our days are numbered at the top of the charts. So I think that it's probably time for us to branch out into the... the tofu business to kind of make up for that loss we're about to receive. Podcasting, it's a young person's game. Carrie Bradshaw, how old is she? What, 50 now? She's got to be 50. I mean, they look, I'm not going to watch the show because I think it's going to be awful, but they look fucking insane. Yeah, how can you not watch it just to see? Just as a car accident on the freeway kind of watching. I don't do stuff like that. I'm not like you. No, no. You watch the fucking American Music Awards because you say it's part of the cultural zeitgeist. This is much more... Part of the cultural zeitgeist, if you ask me, Chris. Yeah, if I was a 40-year-old single gay man with a dog, I would agree with you. It's part of the cultural zeitgeist. Chris, every single chick I've fucked loves sex in the city. It's a good asset. It's a good tool to have in your kid. It's a good air to have in your quiver. So what is the target demographic? of Sex and the City is 40-year-old gay dude with a dog. What is the target demographic of, say, the American Music Awards that you're watching? 18-year-old loser that likes Lil Nas X too much. I'm somewhere in between these two, but my point is, Jason... 18-year-old autistic makeup tutorial host with a small amount of subscribers. The BMI is higher than the subscriber count on YouTube. No, but the mistake you're making...

is that this isn't Sex and the City. Don't. Don't say it's official title, bitch. I won't say it, but it isn't. It's different. Samantha's not there. So we choose not to accept it. That's so funny. You're like, hmm, I typed in Sex and the City, and then HBO Max is being kind of cungy, and they're like, hmm, we don't know her. Exactly. We don't know her. Is there another similar show with a different name you might be looking for? I just don't know why Hollywood is so insistent. This is something we talk about with our guests today. I don't know why Hollywood is so insistent. on ruining things that are good. Like they've done it with literally everything. Like The Sopranos, you made a prequel movie? Like why does that exist? That doesn't need to exist. Carrie Bradshaw, Sarah Jessica Parker does not need money. No one that did that show needs money. Obviously, your relevancy is the true currency. Chris, that was a rhyme right there. That was a J. Cole rhyme that you just fucked up. It's just getting depressing where it's like I got you in one year telling me Pen15 is a must-watch like you're a teenager, and then the other year I got our age group telling me that I have to watch a shitty version of Sex and the City ten years later. I can't win. I never said that it's a must-watch Pen15. It has improved and it's going in interesting directions for season two. That's all. But, you know, what are you going to watch, Chris? House of Gucci? Nope. I'm going to watch Real Housewives of... Empire? No, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, where religion and designer come together. A perfect combination of my interests. That sounds so rough. It's not rough. When someone who's married to their step-grandfather and is stealing money from her church to buy her friend's designer gifts as a hushed presence, that's good television. I agree with that. If it was like a fictitious... scripted dramatization show or if it was actually real the problem is these shows are neither it's a it's a tweener i actually think that in this case this particular scenario that i'm describing to you is unfortunately real and that's what makes it incredibly dark and depressing but i will agree with you that a lot of the stuff does feel scripted or maybe pre-planned okay so how how many years did this woman get

in prison for stealing money from a church and buying shit. That's the thing. She's denying all charges and it's still just kind of like in the rumor mill and people are talking. What kind of proof do you have, Chris? I'm not able to talk about that right now. I've actually retained an attorney. Just got to protect my interests in this whole thing. That's how much you love Real Housewives of Salt Lake. Exactly. You seeked out legal representation just to cover my bases. Just to cover my bases. I kind of like to have legal representation on tap. But no, I mean, all entertainment is terrible. It's raining in L.A. I just don't even know. I got a new cowgirl sweatshirt in the mail that I really like, so I guess that's good. Okay, so some good things are going on. I just saw John Waters. He released his top... 10 films of this year, so maybe you can check that out and find some cool films and maybe enjoy some content that flew under the radar. Actually, this weekend, you and I are going to have to go to the movies. We're going to have to go see Mike Mills' new film, Come On, Come On, starring Joaquin Phoenix. They got Joaquin in it? Yeah, they got Joaquin in it. I mean, I'm definitely going to see it. I'll keep you posted, but I think we should both see it just kind of in preparation. Do I need to go to Westwood to see this fucking movie? No, no, this movie is available in normal. theaters, it's not a PTA joint where they have a pinball machine attached to it. Yeah, it's just kind of like a classic. You go to the movie theater and you see the movie. Kind of a thing I like. I'm excited to kind of drive across town to Westwood to go see LP Licorice Pete's. I'm not going to see Licorice Pete's in Westwood unless Brett Easton Ellis is riding shotgun in the Tesla. Dude, let's take Brett! Let's take Brett. Brett's probably already seen it five times. Alright, let's text Brett. Anyway... I'll tell Brett he can sit on my lap on the way there. Maybe he'll be down to... There we go. We do have a guest today, a friend of the show, Patrick Sandberg, who was a guest on our Twitch program back in the day, but we've never had him on the podcast properly. We thought it was time to tap in. He's a writer and creative director, all kinds of shit, fashion, music, campaigns, commercials, branding.

He worked at V, Days of Confuse, CR Fashion Book, and, of course, the short-lived CR Men. But Patrick is also extremely full of takes in a way that is aspirational for me. And he's also a podcaster himself. He's a podcaster himself. He's also close friends with two legends in the game, Sky Ferreira. who we will beat him into submission to give us an update on her, and also iconic Azalea Banks, who just played in L.A. So we'll get all the information from Patrick today on how long gone. This is exciting. Okay, well, yeah, I've been trying to get him on. He's been too scared over the years. He's always deflecting and changing the subject. Yeah, he's real scared. I'm glad we finally cornered him to get him to pod. All right, let's give Patrick a jingle. Give him a wet little zoom. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app.

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especially who listens, loves the New York-LA conversation because it is the only conversation. The true political divide. That's not true. We like to talk about important stuff on this podcast, like tofu and stuff. But yeah, I guess today we can talk about... LA-New York, it's a common trope. I feel like all the juice has been squeezed out of that convo by now, hasn't it? Yeah, I think that it's just sort of like it's the eternal struggle because... We all want everyone to be in one place. Yeah, but that place will never be a great place if everyone is there all the time. That's not true. That's not true. Have you guys been to Austin? I would say that's kind of what we're looking for. That's the closest we're going to get. Yeah, yeah. I've never been to Austin. You've never, ever been? The only place I've been in Texas was to Dallas, and it sucked. Oh, no. Dallas rules. We like Dallas. Dallas is the only gay place in Texas. Not a fan. Where are you from? Where are you from, Patrick? I was born in San Francisco. That says a lot. Yeah, it made me gay, for example. Yeah. I love David Fincher movies, like in all kind of tracks. And then... I was raised in a town called Petaluma, California. Oh, I forgot you're a Cali chick, because Petaluma is a pretty beautiful, idyllic place to grow up, is it not? Oh, it's dark and menacing and haunted. Don't do that. Don't do that to Petaluma. I don't believe you. Petaluma is... I have a fascination with it, obviously, because it's my childhood, I guess, but I think that there's... It embodies... It's sort of a microcosm of... of the country in one place i feel or at least the west coast because it's very like there's an economic divide hell yeah which side were you on you better say the good one it's kind of like i was i was an outsider so like i feel like it was i was on neither side because like my Parents technically lived in a town called Pengrove, which is just outside of Petaluma, which has a population of 800 people and is not a real town. So this is northern California, just to clarify for our listeners? The economic divide that I spoke of is really between the east side and the west side. Classic. I guess I was on the north side, so I was sort of... Agnostic. Yeah. You were neither on the wrong or the right side of the tracks. Oh, I was on both sides.

What kind of drugs did you do when you were wearing your Susie and the Banshees leather jacket in high school? All of them. Any and all. Is Petaluma known for drug use among young people, or were you just pushing the envelope? Sonoma County is known for a lot of amphetamine use. I would say. Okay. I like their Pinot Noir, but I'll check out their meth. Yeah, I was going to say, I thought they were more known for their kind of blends, but I guess methamphetamine can blend well with a crisp white. Yeah, it's wine country adjacent, and then it's meth lab adjacent. So it's kind of best of both worlds. That's where all the people who... Who do, like, the less glamorous jobs in the wine world. That's where they all live and then enjoy their different types of speed. Yeah. Okay, that's cool. Are you talking about the guys that step on the grapes, Jason, or somebody else? No, I mean, you know, someone's got to clean the toilets over there at the winery or something like that, swab the deck. You know, it's not blue collar, it's red collar. I see, I see. Oh, yeah. I grew up sort of, like, surrounded by... white supremacist rednecks who put Confederate flags on their trucks, right? Because there's so much farmland there that it was like farmer country. Were they kind of hot, though? You can be honest. Chris? Yeah. Oh, completely. I wanted them to choke me out. That was my daydream. You wanted to feel that Skechers boot on your neck? It was... I don't know. They wore like... whatever, like cowboy boots and wranglers. That's all I needed to hear. And then there was a large Hispanic population. Those were all my pot-smoking friends, basically. And then I was really drawn to the punk scene, so I hung out mostly at this place called the Phoenix Theater in Petaluma, which is where all the punk bands would come through and play.

I grew up going to shows, so I was always seeing Blink-182 and Green Day and stuff. They would come play in Petaluma, which is like nothing happens in Petaluma. So that was always like, it was just this insane, just because of this one famous theater is there. It was kind of the one thing we had. You got lucky. Yeah, that was super lucky. And then it was kind of like rich white people who mainly live on the west side in all of the beautiful Victorian homes. It's like a big antiquing destination in Petaluma. Lots of movies have been filmed there back in the 80s when people could film in California and it wasn't... Too expensive. Ronald Reagan shot his presidential campaign propaganda there. Did you watch that Reagan documentary? Propaganda? No, I haven't. It was really good. I mean, I knew, obviously, the top line stuff, but it's really twisted. The whole Ronald Reagan story is fucking twisted. Chris has been talking about how he doesn't watch any movie, any TV show. It's all bad. It's all stupid. But then, of course, he's definitely seen the Ronald Reagan doc. Kind of interesting, isn't it? It's actually interesting. It's not some Netflix garbage, Jason. Sorry. Patrick, before you got on, we were talking about the new Sex and the City and how I refuse to acknowledge it because they changed the name and Samantha's not in it. Yeah, I think that their kind of party line is like, it's a different show. Yeah, and I don't like that. Yeah, it is a different show. That's all. But are you going to watch it? Because you have to be part of it. I watched it. I stayed up till three. You already watched it? I watched, well, the first two episodes around, I watched them, yeah. You said you stayed up until three? Well, yeah, because they think they hit at midnight, and I started watching around like a quarter to one. And then I had to obviously pause it because I was texting with a friend. Sure, sure. Making fun of it. So you stayed up, did some of that Petaluma crank, stayed up till three. You still had a little bit of leftover in the back pocket of your dicky shorts. Okay, I want to clarify that I was not into meth in high school. That was college. No, you know, I never liked it. I did try it in high school, and it was not for me. I tried it as well, and I definitely did not like it. But some girls that I tried to hang out with did like it. One and done. That was a one and done.

situation i don't like not being able to sleep but like that's not that's a sound fun to me heroin was a similar deal can't sleep on heroin no no like heroin made me puke oh yeah yeah yeah i mean some people like even a vicodin will make them puke heroin making you puke that's a good thing hold on yeah let's get back to let's get back to you doing crank alone and watching Because we need the review. Because we haven't seen it yet. Most people haven't seen it yet. We need the review from you. So you put some aluminum foil up on the windows in the WeHo condo. There's a single gun on the coffee table. We fire up HBO Max. I was buzzing from a kombucha I had had about five hours earlier. Good luck going to bed tonight. I can stay up pretty late, so it wasn't really an issue for me to lay in bed and watch this show. Damn, you're really showing off on this podcast. I can stay up late. It's not a problem for me. It's taking a victory lap. You're one of those fucked up... It was grotesquely entertaining. ...fucked up people that could stay up late. So obviously it's not... you know it's not as great as the original show but are there any redeeming values to it anything to look forward to tonight i'm gonna say yeah like i think that i think you can't exactly of course the comparison to the original show is inevitable and it is a continuation of the story but i it is different stylistically it's a bit more it's a bit more similar to the films which are terrible i think but it Kind of evolves that into something. It's a bit more of a drama than the original. Like the original Sex and the City is a comedy. And this is absolutely not funny. Yeah, it's not funny because I was told on Twitter that Carrie Bradshaw is a podcaster. Is that true? She's a woke podcaster. Her podcast is about lecturing people about what they are allowed to say and what not to say. Like they are. They're educating ignorant people about gender identity. Does she still smoke cigarettes? No, she doesn't. I don't think she smokes cigarettes. I don't recall seeing her smoke one. So this is a very neutered version of the original. I mean, that's the world now. Yeah, that is the world now. But, you know.

I was holding out for a little bit of that original whatever it was, you know? But then at the same time, there's something a little more dangerous about this one and a little bit more menacing because they kind of build up this insane sense of dread around the character of Miranda. I'm convinced she's going to snap and commit a mass shooting or something. Her character... Is it because... She's gotten so dark that I'm like... this is actually so much darker than the original show. And also you factor in the fact that they're trying to make a commentary about aging, and so it's like, Steve is deaf. I heard that Steve is deaf, which is really sick. Oh, that's fucked up, because he always already talked like he was deaf, so I can't even imagine what his voice sounds like now. It was already so froggy to begin with. Yeah, there's kind of this, like, they've cast a pallor over all of the characters about, like... health problems. Willie Garson is on the show who we all know tragically passed away during shooting, and so seeing him is kind of fraught with emotion. Don't tell me that Big has testicular cancer. I'm going to hang up. I think you'll appreciate... The big storyline. This feels like more of a funeral wake service than a walk down memory lane. It's a pregame. It's a funeral pregame. Okay, so the wake happens after the funeral, and this is the little cocktail reception. Before. There's light bites, there's sliders, and we're preparing. They're preparing to die. Okay, we're preparing for Miranda to... shoot up bloodbath shoot up her her children's montessori school i guess her kid's probably fucking 16 now i think that the show has like an interesting commentary with what's happening to miranda because she's um she's depicted sort of like as sundowning after after retirement and like her mind has sort of curdled into like a cnn poisoned histrionic liberal

Curdled is a fun word for that. There's no joy to be seen in Miranda's eyes. Does she still look like a kind of farmer's market lesbian? Or have they kind of changed her look? She actually has the same haircut as my Aunt Gail. Which is not a reference either of you will get, but you'll see. We all can imagine what Gail's hair is up to lately. I haven't met the lady, but she sounds great. It's a nice cut for an older gal. I have to say, I was really not going to watch this, but I feel like your twisted review has brought me back to the table. Thank you, HBO Max and Patrick Sandberg. I'm still processing it, but I think that it... did subvert my expectations in a few surprising ways, and I intend to keep watching. I don't like that Carrie, the kind of rebellious badass of the group, has become a woke podcaster. That just feels wrong. Well, I think that she is supposed to be almost a foil to her woke co-hosts, who I won't even... dignify with a description are they are they famous are they famous people are they like people we recognize i i hope not from the sex in the city extended universe or is it like don lemon playing himself they got z-way's auntie i feel like we're living in like a post-fame time so like i i actually like can no longer tell who's famous and who's not it was either dean kissick or sean monahan i'm sorry to whoever um okay actually said it but referred to the time period we're living in as the great foam of atomization, where everyone has their own little bubble of things that they're interested in and pay attention to, so it's like everyone's kind of famous to somebody. And completely anonymous to most other people. Yeah, I think that's very true. There's hundreds of people who are like, if they were in the same room as you, Patrick, they would be losing their shit, you know? They'd be freaking out. But then you can also just go to Ralph's.

and go grocery shopping, not a soul will recognize you. I get recognized, but it's... I think it's because of the Twitch stream I did with you guys, I'm sure. That's why. What do people recognize you for the most? My voice. Oh, just same as Chris. Same as Chris. I think it's the same reason why my... I wouldn't even call them fans. Like my... admirers or the people are not even admirers like the people that recognize me yes yeah do you need to get a name for your you need to get a name for your stand group sandys it's like there's a begrudging uh appreciation for me and they also hate me i think just like chris just like chris yeah i can relate i can relate we have a we have a lot in common we have a lot in common patrick i think it's because i have resting bitch voice oh yeah you definitely do Like, everything I say sounds like I'm making fun of something. Or, like, I always sound like I'm being mean even when I'm being nice. But if you know me personally, you will realize that I'm entirely pure of heart. I've known you for a long time. We're not close close, but I've definitely known you for years. And I'm still pretty convinced that you don't like me. But that's just your resting bitch voice, I guess. Yeah, because, like, I love you. Was that, like, sexy how I just said that? Like, it's a little awkward. I was like, Jason. And now we kiss. I feel the same way about Jason. He's unlikable. I start crying. I needed this red table fucking pod today, Patrick. Thank you. We've been going through a lot this holiday season. I wanted to ask you, I saw that you were mobbing out with... dream guest azalea banks this week oh yeah did she perform here in los angeles she did she did two nights at a venue that i've never heard of called the novo jason please explain yeah no oh yeah no the novo i've heard of that downtown i saw i saw rick ross there it's not it's not really any it was sold out correct yeah it was i mean i think that because the the night that she was playing was last night and that sold out so she added a second show the night before which is the one i went to and so that one wasn't sold out but i think it

It's probably sold out like right before. It seemed packed. What happens at an Azalea Banks audience in 2021? I'm very curious. I'm a big fan of her antics. It felt very wholesome. Wholesome, really? Yeah, like the crowd was just like so hyped. Everyone was like dancing, moshing. There was this opening act who Jason, you can probably also speak about because I'm sure you know who she is. I had never heard of her before. Her name's Luciana. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's weird. The DJ introduced her as the queen of electro. She had a big electro song. Why was she opening for Azalea Banks? I don't know, but it was like... watching her was sort of like i went from like being a bit horrified to becoming mesmerized to becoming obsessed like she completely jacked up the crowd with energy like it was everyone she like made every single person in the room get into what she was doing it was kind of incredible i'm trying to remember she had she had a song that's impressive it was like a huge song i forgot what it was called but yeah she played it and um a friend who was there was like oh you know this one and i was like i absolutely don't but dude i just looked her up how old do you think luciana is do i really have to say that is that wrong okay i'll say she's 46 48 she's 48 years old isn't that isn't that cool that a 48 year old woman yeah can just go up and slay a fucking audience at azalea bank show it sounds her sound is very like pre-kesha like pre-LMFAO. She's maybe the original party rocker. Yeah, it has some of that vibe. I hate to think about a time before LFMAO, but I guess we have to. That's what we do. We go deep. It was very Ladies of London, which Ladies of London is a genre of music, in my opinion, which is just music that would have played in the background on the Bravo TV show Ladies of London. And if you know, you know. I've never seen that show, but I know exactly.

exactly the genre you're speaking of and it's not only a genre but a lifestyle yeah i was just explaining to jason that the most recent plot line of the real housewives of salt lake city better television than maybe anything that's going on right now it's so um layered and also suspenseful and Just the fact that what's going on with Jenshaw, for example, you think that's going to be the focus of the season and the way that it just swings to Mary Cosby's cult was completely unforeseen. Well, I think what I was trying to explain to Jason is that it's just these things, I don't know, it's so twisted. And I think that what this franchise had been missing... is actually religion that's what it needed to take it over the edge to be like wow this is truly fucked up and these mormons finally delivered i think oc had a little bit of a religious slant because there's so many born-agains strangely enough in that cast but i wouldn't expect anyone to be keeping up with oc jason's a born-again from oc so he kind of relates Yeah, I mean, Christian people, those are boring. Mormon people, you just stare at them. They're just fucked up weirdos. You want to know everything that's going on with them. It's very exciting. Yeah. I don't know why, but he's right. It really is different. I also have no... experience with mormons except brandon flowers from the killers and my friend's really hot ex-girlfriend uh-huh those are the only two mormons i've ever known you don't know the singer of the killers well chris i wish i did i mean obvious for obvious reasons i love the way that patrick was described maybe chris you need to up your your grammarly vocab or something because when you when you talk about the real housewives of of utah or whatever salt lake city you're just like it's so good man like shit's weird so good And when Patrick talks about it, he sounds like he's describing The Revenant or a Daniel Day-Lewis performance. I know. It's just so layered. The second act, the character growth development. Bro, he's a Hollywood, he's a film and TV writer and stuff. You know what I mean? I'm a lowly bro podcaster that listens to music. I don't even watch movies. You know that. Are you going to out me like that?

I would like you to use a bigger vocabulary maybe when you're describing things that you love, and I think you might find that the passion ignites even further. If I talk about The Real Housewives, that's going to be the whole episode, because it never stops giving. He's startin'. That's what's happening? He's startin'? I start and I don't stop, because it's a bottomless pit. I've seen every episode of every city, including many of the international... syndicated editions and the only one that i actually haven't watched is housewives of miami i just never went there when you say you never went there you mean like you've never been to the city of miami or like you didn't go there as far as watching the television show bitch i love miami i know that's that's your real housewives i think at the time i was just not I didn't have the bandwidth for it, and then it was canceled. So I was like, oh, I guess it probably sucked. And so I just sort of never watched it. Patrick, I suspected it was a bandwidth issue. Have you ever been in a relationship? No. I'm just kidding. I was about to say. I'm joking. I'm joking. Where your partner was maybe not in line with you on your Real Housewives watching? Is that like a deal breaker? a wedge that could be driven between you if if you are this big of a fan and somebody else isn't uh i don't think any of my partners have been into real housewives actually now that i think about it i think one of them has become interested in it since you since you put him on you put him on they're trying to get back with you so they started watching it he was really into like i remember when we were dating he was like really into watching like dv old dvds of like the best of the oprah show like that was like the thing that we watched together What the fuck? I know. Bro, you're into some twisted shit. If you're watching DVDs of Oprah, I don't even want to know what's going on in the bedroom. That is it. That is... Oh, my goodness. Damn. It gets dark. It does. It gets really upsetting. It's really... It was intense. But also, like, I'm a big fan of Oprah. I mean, who isn't?

Well, so does that mean when you're watching The Real Housewives, do you like to do that alone? Or do you then have like a group of friends, like a hashtag community that you watch it with and you can text each other? Or do you do it IRL perhaps with snacks? Well, no, we text each other because everyone kind of watches it on their own schedules and I live alone. I don't want you to name drop too much, but I would love to know who's in this group chat. I have so many group chats. Okay. i have one reality television centric group chat that's with just my like blood family like my two sisters and my cousin laura and yeah and that one unfortunately like revolves mainly around the bachelor franchise which like i only began watching as a way to kind of like that's all laura that's all laura isn't it it was actually it was my sister when she was pregnant she was like you have to watch the bachelorette with me or something i don't remember which season it was but she got me into it and it's just something i do to kind of like stay close with my family in a cheesy way that's nice of you that's actually that's a smart way to connect maybe my sister and i i don't know yeah i don't think my sister watches any trash like me so i we should try to relate on something else so you talk about so you have a family group chat that revolves around the bachelor franchise yeah and then real housewives seeps in and then with real housewives there's like So there's many and I wouldn't even necessarily call them all groups. Like there's one that's just like me and Paul Coupo and Mel Ottenberg. And then there's one that's like. Damn. Then there's one that's like me and Mel and Alyssa and Nomi Fry. The you Paul Mel group chat. Is there a way I could access that for like a small fee? No. Just to kind of keep up. Okay. I just wanted to. Closed. Ranks are closed in that one. I think they're all very special to me. I have probably one of my most epic group chats is. called mcdonough and it's just only about madonna mcdonough like like a mcdonald's yeah that's what it is we're having we're having fun with it yeah we're just having fun we're just having some fun okay i think that mcdonough was a term that used to be used for like madonna wannabes oh no it's so it's not an it's not an irish derogatory term or anything no but she's italian thank god she's italian i'm irish we're both catholic i'm not catholic i'm

atheist but i was i was raised catholic you're because of watching the like a prayer video so much you're sort of common law catholic at this point but you you are atheist i would say the mcdonough group chat is like a master's program that you have to qualify to be a part of like there's a series of riddles that you must have before gaining access you have you have to know deep deep Deeper and deeper history of Madonna. Oh, I just recognize that deeper and deeper pun, Patrick. That's the first question, isn't it? Yeah. The further they go. You may move on to the next one. I don't think that... So how do you guys deal with the fact that Madonna is looking absolutely insane? We don't talk about that, Chris. Do we just act like that isn't happening, or do we confront that head-on with some chit-chat? We engage with every single... thing okay anytime she appears on any lens it's under our microscope when you see her looking you know maybe perhaps a little rough and ready or something like that do you feel that it is your duty and responsibility to do something about it to try and fix it or Is it just, you know, like a memorial service? Or are we lying to ourselves about it? Well, first of all, I would never criticize a woman's appearance of a certain age. That's surprising. Secondly... That's tea. I mean, I love her so much. What am I going to say? I'm not going to talk shit about Madonna. Right. I'd sooner die. I would sooner throw myself in front of a train. I know, but I'm not saying talking shit. I'm saying more so of like, as a loving friend. What I will say is that... members of the mcdonough group chat have punctured the inner circle and are indeed working with madonna oh shout out to a friend of the shout out to a friend of the show greg k love to hear love to hear yeah greg's picking up her dry cleaning so we have somebody on the inside greg is one greg is one but we yeah we have an inside track and it all comes from love so have you met madonna ever i did meet her once

And it was not enough. I want to do over. Was it recently or was this when you were a child? Oh, God. It was probably in like 2014 or 2015. Which party were you at? I was on set with Stephen Klein. And we were photographing Madonna and Katy Perry together. Bittersweet. With Arianne Phillips for the cover of V Magazine. Arianne Phillips, the famous costume designer? Yeah. Shouts to Arianne. Shouts to Ari. She was robbed for the Academy Award for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Let's all just get that on the table. Thank you for doing justice on this podcast. We have a lot of Academy members do listen, a lot of voters. What a film. What a film. Did you like that movie? Did you like that movie, Patrick? once upon a time loved it yeah as did i i'm actually due for a due for a check-in a re-watch but you did you did watch um house of gucci correct yeah loved that too i will fight i will fight people okay okay i i saw it a couple days ago but do you have to go into it understanding that it's bad Is it that kind of, you know what I mean? Is it that kind of thing where it's like, it's so bad. It can't hurt. Couldn't hurt. Couldn't hurt. Lowered expectations never hurt. I think Pacino did a great job, didn't he? I just sometimes don't understand what people go to the movies expecting. Like, I feel like there's definitely some kind of disconnect in the expectations versus reality kind of. There's a cognitive dissonance that happens among the general public with moviegoers. Maybe we're just chasing the dragon because we know that it does exist. It is possible to go to the movies and have a transcendent, amazing experience. It just hasn't happened in so long. People remember. Well, everyone always says that, but I don't ever buy that. I think that if you hate movies, then you probably...

aren't having a transcendent experience with the movies. I'm a hate movies guy. They just take too long. Depending on the movie, it can keep going forever. I don't have a time limit. I need an hour and a half in and out. You know what I mean? These three hours, I just don't... Chris doesn't like to go around. He's the one and done. Let's get it in, let's get it out. You want to know something crazy? I don't even look at the run time when I go in. I'll just leave and be like, that seemed long. I think it's better that way. It's better that way. If you know the runtime, you're always going to be looking at your watch. You're going to be knocked out of the trance-like state that you like to be in. Three hours. The amount of popcorn you have to have is, I mean. Patrick, you ever fall asleep? In the movies? Yeah. I do all the time when I watch them at home. What a sleep, isn't it? I love sleeping. It's actually, I'm shocked that I don't fall asleep in the movie theater. I could fall asleep anywhere, probably. That's how much you love cinema. Yeah, that's true. And the experience of being in a movie theater I love. And also, I could stay there all day. How many more years until movie theaters all go out of business? What do you say, Patrick? I'm going to say never in Los Angeles, so I don't care. As long as Quentin Tarantino's alive, there'll be some movie theater open? Yeah, I mean, I don't... Maybe it's an L.A. thing or a New York thing. Maybe big cities, people care about art more and they care about movies more, but I feel like I haven't had an experience... And I've gone to the movies the entire pandemic. I basically never stopped. I even drove down to... orange county to go see tenet when it opened because i was like i'm seeing this in a theater i'm not gonna like wait the theater's been full this whole time it's like the theaters aren't empty like people aren't not going it's true it seems like they're doing well so i don't get what the big fuss is about it seems like they might be doing well but i don't think I think a lot of them are closing and going out of business. There's more people in an average movie theater than there is in a sweet green. How come sweet greens are... Do not do that. You know that's below the belt for Jason. Slow down. I think as long as they can make money with theatrical, the industry will continue to make money with theatrical, and it is lucrative. I think that people look at overall trends, and we see that...

People can just stay home and watch things, but it's like nobody knows how many people are doing that because they don't release the numbers. But the numbers that people do have are coming from... the cinema chain, distributors. Welcome to podcasting, baby. You know, movies can still make up like around a billion dollars in the theater. So why would they stop? Yeah, I'm going, we're taking our talents to China. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I love movie theaters and I love the act of going to a movie and I enjoy a film much better in a theater. But I think that the world or some powers that be are intentionally or unintentionally making it harder and harder to do that and easier and easier to watch it at home. TVs are huge and they cost $100 and it's all there at your fingertips. You can be texting on your phone, smoking weed, doing drugs, getting a blowjob, eating a sandwich. You can pause it when you have to go take a piss. You smoke a cigarette when you go to a movie theater. You get two tickets for you and your partner. You get a thing of popcorn. It's $100, $10 for parking, 20 minutes of trailers, 30 minutes of trailers. The trailers have gotten out of hand. Trailers are the only problem I have with what Jason's saying. The rest of it... The only way I can watch a movie and pay attention is if I go to the theater. Otherwise, I'm just going to look at my phone. I really have to focus in a way that, unfortunately... That's how much this guy loves tweeting. I love the trailers, actually. I get pissed if I miss the trailers, but then I do think that maybe it's because everyone's trying to promote going back to the movies, but I feel like they're showing way too many. There should be like four, not... 10 i know when i saw house of gucci it was straight up 10 and it become at first it's annoying and you're like what the fuck is going on like this is a three-hour movie and i'm watching a half an hour trailers but then it just starts getting comically long and it's so it's so ridiculous you can't help but laugh almost i think even if the bulk of movie chains go out of business like there will still be movie theaters and they'll exist maybe for perhaps more of like a

a kind of like nostalgic exercise than necessarily like yeah it's like driving a classic heart and soul of the business yeah but i think it'll we'll still be able to go to the movies and like it'll be like vinyl yeah because there was a time period because like i'm i'm not i don't consider myself a photographer i'm like a hobbyist but like i shoot on film and like there was only one place in new york you could go to get film developed and it was like so annoying that's not true there's many places there were like two Right. If you're a professional like me, color house, of course. But then you find out that they all send their film to the same place, too. So you're like, yeah, actually, there is just one place. But then in L.A., there are so many more now. But I think that it's also like people are shooting so much more on film again. So everyone thought film was over when digital cameras came out and it's not over. It's true. That's a good point. I mean, I think that like, yeah, I wonder if that's going to swing the other way, because I think there's a lot of people that are just like. film is kind of prohibitively expensive and i mean it is and it isn't like if you're of a certain caliber of course the client's like yeah i don't care if it's ten thousand dollars extra to develop film that's fine yeah but i think it's a it's a funny thing where i think some people are just like does this really matter or am i just doing this for the for the like Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you can obviously make anything look like a 35mm photo or a medium format photo if you have a good digital tech or retoucher. But I don't think it's as fun to shoot. I think the real draw of film is that the client can't see what's going on. I mean, but I feel like it's just impossible because having worked a lot in advertising, like... I'm now very finely attuned to the post-production process. Most of the commercial images you see in the world are completely Frankensteined into being. I've literally had to have retouchers put a smile from one take onto a face from another, onto a head from another, onto a body from another. You're literally cobbling...

this perfect version of this perfect photo to advertise like a fragrance. We didn't do that like in magazines and stuff, but I think it gets to an extent we did, but with ad stuff, it's actually crazy what the clients demand. They're like, can you, can her arm be moving, pointing in a totally different direction? Like, just like, they're like painting a new arm onto. a model. I mean, I wasn't involved in it, really. I kind of tried to stay out of it as much as possible. But, like, I was present for nine months of post-production on a fragrance campaign this last year, and it was just like... Nine months of post-production for photos? Yes. Did the fragrance sell? I don't care. I don't know. We got paid. Was it Tom Ford ombre leather? I'm not saying what it was. Fair, fair, fair, fair. Well, I signed NDAs for like half the clients that I work with, and I never remember which half it is, so I just don't talk about any of them. Better safe than sorry. Some I'm probably allowed to. Yeah, but I mean, you'd be talking those NDAs, but not on a podcast. Oh, yeah, to my friends, sure. Speaking of NDAs, we need to get to the bottom of some other stuff that I have to confront you about on this podcast. Okay, let's go. We need a How Long Gone exclusive. going to be getting new music from sky ferreira we need to know all this all the straight all the straight guys that listen to this podcast are crying listening to sky ferreira on a weekly basis and i just look the acting is great i appreciate the money that comes with that but we need music and i you're my go-to source um i thought you were gonna ask me something about me Don't worry, I'll ask you stuff. You told me not to, Patrick, so I didn't, but I will ask you stuff. I'll ask you intrusive questions as well, don't worry. With Sky, I don't think she would mind me saying this. I've heard the music. Okay, and does the music in fact slap? I love it. I'm just happy that it exists, period. I'm not making any promises to people because this is like kind of...

uh pursuant to what we were discussing before but like it's like everyone's fans are their haters as well like it's kind of like i'm sure that i'm sure like People will absolutely love it. And then some other people will talk shit about it. I feel like it's like, if you're a Sky Ferrer fan, you'll be thrilled. Okay. So Jason and I are good. Yeah. Let me just, I want to, Jason was too embarrassed to ask, but if you could get him the stems for any of the new stuff, he's kind of trying to get back into the remix game. Don't listen to him. He's crazy. The blog house. She can even get them. Like it's like, since the blog house, since the blog house podcast, Jason has been, he's been itching for a Sky Ferrer, them jeans, drum edit to kind of draw. If she can't get the stems, I'll just send a DM to the Swedish House Mafia and we'll get it sorted out. Don't worry. A Blog House remix would be really good with this vibe. It's not quite Luciana, but there is an element of like... It's a fun record. Has she gone back to Sky Ferreira's one? No, I would say it's more... I mean, you remember the last album. Like, it's... it's of a universe with nighttime my time it's not that much of a departure and that it's like but it's it still feels new and the only thing that i that comes to mind when i'm trying to like think of how to describe it is like it has kind of a tears for fears vibe Oh, thank God. Thank God. Patrick, my God, you've made my, you know, it was raining in L.A. I was kind of feeling depressed, but now you tell me that Sky Ferreira's got some tears for fears ass music coming. Oh, yeah. Big songs. Big songs. Oh, man. You know, because that's the problem, Patrick, is music is boring now, you know, and. Songs from another big chair, you know. The other big chair. The other big chair. The other big chair. That's really funny. And she looks really small in it because she's so little. Now you're getting me too excited. Okay, we have to move on. Yeah, we have to move on. I'm going to like this too much. Well, that's great news, man. I've got to say that's very good news. Yeah, I don't know when exactly it's coming. It's like, you know how it goes. It's always up to the label, kind of. Of course. It's been a moving target also because of the pandemic. It'll happen. It'll happen. I think once something's recorded and actually finished, then it will see the light of day. You know what I mean?

for sure usually people spend too much money to not try to make money off of it um i was listening to your podcast um it was just the trailer because i don't have patreon how dare you i know i know but in those two short minutes i really got what i wanted but you guys were talking briefly about oh my god what uh breaking news okay i just got the alert on my phone go on jesse smollett found guilty and hoax thank god Thank God. Thank God. He jerked off with his assailant. I mean, who among us? The assailant is gorgeous. Well, I'm glad you brought that up because you were speaking on that very exact subject about him clearly lying that he was only doing a sort of a group masturbation thing at the bathhouse when they were clearly... Did we say he was lying? I think that... Yeah, we did, probably. I'll put the blame on Paul. Paul said it. We love Paul, obviously. Shout out to Paul. Maybe, you know... One of the greatest podcasters in the world, right up there with Patrick Sandberg. I watched Empire. I bet you did. Paul collaborated with them with Hood by Air. They did an Empire collaboration, as you may recall. I love Lee Daniels. What's not to love? Well, we were... Okay, so you were talking about how he was saying, like, you know, we never had sex. We only... hung out together and did our own independent masturbation. Yeah. And then you guys are saying, no, they clearly were having sex. They're clearly doing a word that you brought up. I had never heard it before. It was he got yacked. I thought yacked was cocaine. I think it's still. She got yacked. So I don't know. what it means, but I can kind of parcel it together with the spirit that this word was spoken in. And I think, is that like, it's like a special kind of sex that just yaks you? Did you have sex or did you get yacked? Okay, so like a street, like a street woman might say I got railed and that's sort of like something funny about that.

Something funny about that, Patrick? Listen. So is this in rail country? We get railed. Okay, okay. Getting railed is like a bisexual term, I would say. It's not just for straight women. No. My friends being who my friends are, which... How do I even put this into words? I know a lot of very creative gay men who have created... many slang terms that have trickled into the wider world. Oh, okay. Cool. And so I don't know where Yakt originated from. It's just something that has been floating around for many years in my... In my circle of people. So could you describe what it means exactly? Yeah, get to the point. The etymology of it? Yeah. No, not the etymology. Your personal definition of it. Yeah, what does it mean? If I want to use it in a sentence, I want to make sure I do it right. What it means to yak and to be yacked upon. To be penetrated. Uh-huh. Aggressively. What happened to that big brain of yours, Patrick? Let's get some Grammarly going. Yeah, I don't understand. Should I put out a glossary? Not really kind of needs a glossary. And it's been interesting reading comments and stuff the way that people who listen to the podcast have now picked up on terms that we use that we didn't even realize were strange. Do you have any examples of those? Not so strange words. Because we're so used to saying it. No, I mean, that happens to us as well. Well, just things that we think are really normal to say that I thought everyone says. Which is just about the term carrying, headlessness, stupidness. I think that every great podcast has its own vernacular. Yeah, I think that's kind of a part of the podcast, especially on a Patreon community. where it really is community building and people they want to listen to your show to obviously hear you guys being funny and talking about stuff that they're also interested in but they also want to absorb the way you talk and they want to learn how to you know they love how you talk and they want to steal it from you steal your words they want to i want to give them to that yeah i appreciate the stealing like jason introduced the spelling of bro with an e

B-R-O-E. Oh, wow. To make fun of Australians is how it started, but we've adopted that into the How Long Gone extended cinematic universe. Good to know. And now people, I see people on Twitter responding to us spelling bro with an E. Wow. It's a beautiful thing, really, to know that you created that. Change the world. That's my act. It's more of a spelling than a pronunciation, but I think it's still an important distinction to make. Well, I'm... You guys are both glad that Jesse's guilty. Listen, I wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go that far. You guys were, it seems like you guys are doing some celebrating. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, no. He was, well, he was just found, he was just found guilty right now. I'm not celebrating. I'm talking to you guys, but I think that like, it's, there's, there's one, there's the element, there's the part of us all, you know, where we're like, we want to be vindicated and we want to be right about something, but I also don't want anyone to be punished and I'm like very much against. kind of the corrupt court system and i don't think you should go to jail or anything like that is that because you want jesse to yak you or because that you um no you really hate 12 i just don't like prisons so you wouldn't jerk off with him but you also hate prisons is what you're saying i don't i think that you can do something um wrong you can do something in fact perhaps desperate He basically created a spectacle and staged a media stunt in a way that is so headless, actually, that like the entire country had to talk about it. And I mean, I grew up in the 90s, like celebrity scandals are sort of like my sports in a way that comes from like, just it's, it's fun. It's dishy. We like to talk about it, but like, I don't want anything bad to befall any of these people. I don't think that he, hurt anyone necessarily except for you know his friends who he turned against and tried to i guess like wrongly accused for actually committing this supposed hate crime i don't think it's i don't think it's cool to like to accuse people of fake hate crimes that's not cool i think we i think we'd all agree that's not cool why do you think there's so many people that are are happy that he has been caught or like really wanted to because it was so ridiculous

I think it was just so ridiculous. Yeah. Like, over the top. But does ridiculousness equate to jail time? Not if you're Rob Dyrdek. Well... I teed that one up, didn't I? But there's just so many people that are, like, so excited that this guy who, like, faked that he got beat up is gonna be criminally charged and have some real serious punishments for it. I don't know if it's, like, beyond race or homo... sexuality or, like, there's something weird. There's, like, a weird undertone around this whole thing where, why do you care so much about this guy, this actor? It's because we were forced to. We were forced to. Why? This was an unavoidable, Patrick, correct me if I'm wrong, this was, like, a giant unavoidable story. It was big news. It was big news when it happened. And, like, I think... I think it's a very human story. It's a tale as old as time. It's the boy who cried wolf. Yeah, true. Especially, we're living in this very punitive society right now where it's the oppression Olympics. Everybody is portraying themselves as victims. And so to see someone portray themselves as a victim in a very overt, flamboyant type of way and then be found out, I think is satisfying a certain... latent impulse in everybody that, like, see not everyone's telling the truth. And, like, in ways that you can infer that across, like, many movements that have been going on, whether it's, like, Me Too or BLM or whatever. I think that it's, like, there has been kind of, like, an eradication of recognizing human nature, right? And the fact that, like, everybody lies. and that people especially like in this economy and in this kind of society are kind of like aggressively jockeying for position and they're finding ways to do it because they've learned that by espousing certain rhetoric gets them there faster and i think that there's a widespread suspicion about that but there's like often no way to really articulate it or prove it and so i think that there's like

I think that that might be why people are particularly interested in this case or excited for him to be made an example of. I'm not necessarily saying that that's the right thing either, but I think that it's just my interpretation of it. All very good points. Well, thank you for making it seem less sinister than I was... I hope they give him a slap on the wrist, you know? Yeah, they'll give him a slap on the wrist. I don't think he's going to do hard time, no pun intended. I don't know how he comes back from this as an actor. He does not. He does not. I don't think he... He'll start doing some yak films. Maybe he'll do a Red Table Talk. Start a podcast. Yeah. Yeah, he could do the Red Table Talk to podcast pipeline to... He could do How Long Gone. Jesse, you're welcome to come on this show. We love jerking off and hate cops. Doing how long on counts as community service so he can tell his PO that. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. All right, Patrick. Well, it's been a pleasure podcasting with you, a fellow elite podcaster, a man of great taste, someone that I deeply respect and find hilarious. We appreciate you joining us. Thanks. We appreciate you joining us. Tell people where they can find you on the World Wide Web. I don't want followers. You know what I mean? I don't care about that. Send them to the Not Really Patreon, though. Patreon.com slash Not Really. That's where you can find me. Go listen to Patrick's podcast, Not Really, that he does, with former How Long Gone guest, Paul, who was hilarious, and we all love him, and both of you guys together. For $5 a month? It's worth... It's honestly a Patreon that I've considered paying for, and I haven't, but, you know, that's between me and God. Yeah. We've gone, like, virtually Patreon only at this point, because we just have been... We've been podcasting so infrequently that we feel like if we're going to, it should be for the Patreon users, but I think we're gearing up to do...

to podcast more regularly again. It was a busy year for both of us. Yeah, you're telling us. You're talking about the two guys here with full-time influencer careers as well as doing a podcast three times a week. Yeah, we know something about being busy, Patrick, okay? Well, in the beginning of the pandemic, we were like, we had this idea to record every day of the pandemic as long as the pandemic lasted. And I think we went like two months and I was like, I'm not doing this anymore. Every day? We were doing it every day. Yeah. Wow. Okay. That's pretty impressive. I knew the pandemic was going to last this long. It's not that impressive. It's not that impressive because they didn't keep doing it, Jason. But it's cool that you tried. Every day for two months would fuck my brain. I could do it. And we do three a week for almost two years now, so same vibe. Well, I think there's such a surplus of podcasts at this point, too, that I don't think anyone needs to hear from me that often. There's a surplus of them, but 99% of them are dog shit. Patrick, thank you. Good to talk to you, and send Jason your file. I will. Until next time. Send it post haste please. You got it dude. Thank you Patrick. Thanks Patrick. Later. Bye.