766. - Ione Skye

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? It's a Tuesday late afternoon here in London. The motherland, them jeans, it's morning for you. I'm sure you're bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Medium, medium. My tail has been dampened by the morning rains. It's looking London-y. This is reason to move out of London weather happening in L.A. It's fine. I'm not really complaining since I'll be spending all days. all day indoors indoors yeah that's true as long as yeah as long as there's no pull to the outside yeah i i understand where you're coming from i had to i've been liming liming it's a yeah doing a little liming but it's a little colder than i thought it was and that i prepared for so it's been um you know eye watering at times uh as you can imagine i don't have my i can't always have on my jacques marie mage to protect myself when you say eye watering does that mean it's so cold that you're crying Yeah, but not that it's so cold. It's more obviously the downhill speeds with the lime electric feature. That's really, you know, it's just it's me against the world. The hills of London. Exactly. The known the known hilly. Yeah, it's like the Swiss. So how many different how many different hills have you bombed over there in Sussex? I don't think I've bombed any hills necessarily, but I've gone.

as fast as i could you know what i mean so it does okay it does cause some you know it's it yeah tears are are shed you're blazing you're blazing uh london okay that's cool i'm fucking blazing yeah i'm not i'm just uh i'm just hanging what else is going yeah i mean i'm trying to i'm just trying to get this mucus out of my body i feel good but you know that mucus i'm what do you do you have any mucus tips i feel like i'm doing all of the azalea bank style witchcraft voodoo swamp princess thingies going on all the uh sour sop roots and wellness formulas and ginger teas and yeah i'm not an expert on that i don't really get sick either Like, I just, I don't know. And also, I mean, I'm sure you're taking hot showers. You're sauning. That'll work eventually. Oh, make the water hot in the shower. That's a good idea. Well, it seems like something you might not do since you're Huberman pilled. So that's why I was reminding you. I was reminding you. No, I mean, it's funny because I'm like, what? I feel amazingly perfect. It's just the mucus. I wonder what it could be. It has nothing to do with the glass of milk I drink first thing every morning. What could it possibly be? Well, I just would like to maybe throw smoking cigarettes into the mix. I haven't had a cig in like two weeks. Okay. All right. Well, then, yeah, I have nothing for you. Your lifestyle should be mucus-free based on what you've explained to us here on the show. I think you're probably withholding a few things, but I don't know what those are, so I'm not going to press. I had a cigarette yesterday. It's not a big deal, but other than that. I had a cigarette right before we started, but otherwise, the mucus was there anyway. I was stuffed up no matter what. Speaking of being stuffed up and London, do you believe these awful rumors that Kate Moss is back on the flake? Yeah, definitely. Do you think that is cool and she should be doing that, or are you let down, disappointed, think about the kids type of shit? A little bit of both.

i'm i'm kind of like fuck it mode right you know what i mean i would be fuck it mode but there's a certain age i think where that becomes less attractive you know as cool as i think it is i do think there's a certain age where it's like you might don't do coke in your 60s don't do i mean she's not even saying i don't even know how old she is but she just i think also though when you're the face of cocaine you've kind of done it you know you know what i mean like when you've been on the cover of the newspaper for doing cocaine what more is left i mean obviously addiction you know is a difficult road but you know what i'm saying it's like what more is what's left yeah i'm the uh i'm the face of isabel marant as well as cocaine yeah it just doesn't it doesn't but i'm not i mean i wouldn't be surprised i think she's been on and off the wagon for quite a long time now and i think she's also might be one of those people that is like Having six Stellas at 3 p.m. is basically sober. You know what I mean? She ain't subscribing. She ain't doing the steps. You know what I mean? It's a Moss's way, I would say. I'm a tall adult man. I'm not a workout freak, but I'm in decent shape. I could punch Mike Tyson as hard as I could right in the stomach, and he'll be like, that's fine. You know what I mean? Totally. And Kate Moss can take a line. At 317 on a Tuesday. It's going to be just fine. She'll be just fine. She'll be just fine. I was hoping I would run into her, but I haven't seen her around. She's been flaky on WhatsApp lately. She's been super flaky. Last night, I went to the Condé Nast Traveler Best New Restaurants UK Awards Gathering. They let straight guys there? It's all straight, guys. Are you kidding me? That's all it is. Just a lot of quote-unquote travel photographers? No, it's all chefs. Even worse. Even worse. Oh, wow. It's all about food. So it's all about restaurants. Restaurants, most of them I haven't heard of. Glad they invited the right How Long Gone host. Go ahead, sir. Ed was talking to me. One of the restaurants that was nominated was like, yeah, it's like Mexican-leaning, but they only use British ingredients, so they don't have guacamole.

which killed me like yeah we don't have they don't have they have to use peas instead of avocados because it's not it's not local it's not an indigenous which killed which killed me i was like that's too local bro that's just too local like what are you trying to do when when hyperlocality i mean i would like to eat at that restaurant just as a as a bit it sounds funny um to to watch them try i mean not every mexican restaurant needs to have guacamole because not of course and i'm sure it's not even city in mexico has avocado i assume it's also not really a i bet maybe it's not mexican necessarily but it it reads that way maybe they don't claim that you know what i'm saying but it reads that way but my point was i ran into claire patek from violet bakery at at the party and she's like oh i was in paris too i was there for the alia show and i was like oh cool she's like did you know that i opened a violet cakes inside the alia store on bond street i did not know that and i was like what what the fuck do you mean she's like yeah yeah it's like the third floor i have a full thing it's it's taken forever to do so i was like all right fuck it i gotta go and then i went today and it's amazing but i did buy a bag of cookies that i'm taking back with me which feels i feel shame about that taking back cookies taking taking back cookies one of my favorite bands and it's they're I don't know what I'm going to – I just – it's a lot of cookies. You know what I mean? It's like a nice, healthy sleeve. Baker's dozen? You got a whole sleeve? It might be a Baker's dozen, actually. It's called the California cookie, which chocolate chips and sprinkles. It looks delicious. California cookie, huh? But I'm a little – I feel a little weird putting that in my carry-on, but I had to support. You know what I mean? I had to show love. Do you feel like you might need to maybe put it in the – checked luggage so it's this is what i was getting at so there's no snacking ability yeah maybe i think that the i think that the it could get injured in transit but cookies are still good broken i've never met a cookie i don't like and the sweet part about claire patek she's got the full recipe on her instagram for this colorful strawberry white and milk chocolate cookie that reminds her of her youth spent in california

Full recipe is up on Violet Cakes London's Instagram. Oh, that's beautiful. It's from 2022, though, so you're going to have to scroll back. It kind of looks like a miniature donut hole with sprinkles on it. Yeah, actually, yeah. There's coconuts and oats in it. I'll make it today. Don't worry. I'll save you one. He'll definitely make it. He'll definitely make it until I see it. Unfortunately, she's British, so one teaspoon of bicarb, which is... bicarbonate which i think is baking soda powder baking yeah probably baking soda yeah baking soda baking soda i didn't i didn't know that actually i know things are different over here yeah it's strange um we only have a couple minutes left on the intro before our guest joins us drew ski over under on his innocence do you think he was being forced to belly flop people at the hand of Diddy? Or do you think these are all blasphemous rumors? I just don't think that he was famous enough to be getting those invites for the timeline. It's right on the border. You know what I'm saying? It's right on the border. On the border doesn't mean an invite to a Diddy party when you look like Drewski. Do you know what I'm saying? On the border, I think you need to be a little... There needs to be a few more things going on to get the invite. Yeah, but it was right around... It was like a year before he found fame and success. You know what I mean? But because he was beasting in the underground, there is a decent enough chance that the underground hip-hop funny video thingy happened. And, you know, if I've been invited to a Diddy party... It's not that hard. He's thrown hundreds of parties. Just tens of thousands of people have been invited to his house. It's not that strange for him to be there. Yeah, but that's the whole thing. If tens of thousands of people have been invited, does that mean all of them belly flopped with oil? I don't think so. That's my whole point. Of course not. Yeah, but Diddy has a type. You got Carl Winslow. Oh, actually, damn. Damn. Hold on. That's true. Shit. I did not think about that. Diddy likes to get a big, giant guy. He likes a big boy. And make him do something that they don't want to do.

That's his whole kink. That's how he gets off. Yeah, you're kind of right. Hopefully, Drewski's innocent. Free Drewski. He's too much of a treasure for us to lose. But I also think once these kind of lawsuits start, I mean, I think people just throw anything at the wall in hopes to get a settlement a la Jay-Z, which this feels like it could be that. Yeah, I don't think Drewski is a bad, evil person. Do I think a young, impressionable Drewski was potentially or could be forced? into doing something against his will at the hand of dictator Diddy? Definitely impossible. No way. No. So I say, yes, of course he is guilty, but don't throw the book at him. Yeah, let him off easy. Three months. Three months, Drewski. Our guest today is Ione Skye. She is an actress who has a new... book out that is really making waves. It's called Say Everything. I watched her just this morning on the Drew Barrymore show. One of my favorite programs. They had a lot in common. They really did because they grew up in LA around the same time. Ione's dad, Donovan, is a hippie musician and Drew Barrymore's parents were famous so they all ran the same circles. Going to nightclubs when you're nine years old. Drew Barrymore said she had her 10th birthday at a nightclub. I was like, you mean McDonald's play place or something else? And I think she meant a real club. All right. Let's give Ionia a call. Fabulous. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned.

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I'm in the motherland. Nice. I'm in Glendale, just down the [redacted address]. Same city, different Gelson's, you know what I mean? Yes. Exactly what you mean. Are you in L.A. because the book is out and you have to do stuff? Yeah, I did a couple weeks here, and then I went to New York for a week, and then I'm wrapping it up here, the tour, just all book stuff. I was telling Jason I watched you on Drew Barrymore this morning. Oh, my God. And I really love. I didn't realize. I've never really watched a lot of Drew Barrymore. I didn't really realize that there was a dog kind of around. Oh, yeah. And it's supposed to be like she puts her knees. I know she's like a close talker and like a toucher. Yeah. But the dog really felt crazy to me on television. I didn't know, like, do I ignore it? And then I was like, it'd be so great, actually, if it came and I could play with the dog and it looked like I'm an amazing person. But the dog wasn't like coming. It's really old. That dog was super old. I just, I was, it was kind of a, I was like, what the fuck? Oh shit, that's a dog. And I was, I was very, the living room, I guess the living room vibe she's going for, you need some of these kind of accessories to make it come to life. Yeah. It's so strange doing that. intimate talk on the couch. And I was expecting, like, what do I do if she starts cuddling me? And she didn't. It was like the opposite. She didn't touch me at all. Who did she touch that she got in trouble for? I think Martha Stewart, right? Yeah, Martha Stewart was like, you got to chill. I like men. And it was like, okay, okay. Wow. What do you do when Drew starts licking the nape of your neck and the dog begins rubbing? Oh, my God. I was ready to go. with it, you know, but, yeah, it's funny. You do have a bisexual past, as I've learned from reading your book. I do have a bisexual past, so I think I could be all right with that. I'll give you some credit for being ahead of the curve. you know what i mean on the bisexual past because now you know now that's a term we throw around a lot and there was a there was a point where that was maybe frowned upon in a way that it is not i would say that that point is now i don't think it's ever been more frowned upon than now i mean straight people are always okay with being bi but gay people are kind of they they maintain their line of thought that bisexuality does not exist

What say you? Yeah. Well, what do you mean? What do you mean exactly? Like if you ask any gay guy, they're going to say like, oh, like you're not bi, you're gay. Like it doesn't exist. Like you're either gay or you're straight. Oh, right. Right, right, right. I mean, I was like, I was in therapy for so much. And when this was happening, I was so curious. Like, I wonder where this is coming from. But I'm always. At the end of the day, I like to like partner for longer with a man for some reason. But I was. Hell yeah. Another victory for the fellas. Let's go. But I did have like one girlfriend and I really, you know, felt like a real thing, you know, the whole thing. But yeah, for men, I think. it's like you're not by your but for women they get a different pass like you can be bisexual but men it's like there's no way you're just gay there's no way it's just it's not a it's not a fair road but here we are yeah and fellow actor armie hammer recently was very brave and wait he waded out into those waters of uh dick suckery and he said did you see i am in fact straight did you see oh you got you should really look into this it's a it's it's basically him recounting a story of being like women suck i'm sick of this shit these gay guys feel like they haven't figured out fuck it, I'm going to try it. And he was at a restaurant and he gets on Grindr and he's like, I'll be back in five minutes. And he goes to the bathroom and starts making out with a guy that met him in the bathroom from the restaurant. And then I guess, you know, 30 seconds in, he's like, this guy's too broad and has like hair on his face. I can't do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he really tried it though. Wow, that's cool. Which is like a line of thinking that like every male chauvinist comedian had in like 1989 when they're like, dudes have it so easy man like you just like hook up with the guy and chicks are hard man so um but is it true the the bristly the scruffy beard and whiskers is that really a a deterrent

Because I feel bad for the ladies. No, not for me. I don't know. You're a beard hunter. All right, good to know. I was going to shave, so I'm glad I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I like it. I like it. I think, Jason, I think as a man, if you were having your first gay experience, it would be a jarring... You know what I mean? After years of soft faces, I think it would be... Especially Armie Hammer. He's touched thousands of soft female faces. Yeah. And if you want to kiss you, you'll have to... You usually have to pay extra anyway, so it's not even, what's the big deal? I'm fine without it, you know? I guess speaking of bearded dudes, you mentioned a word in the book that is a bygone word that I don't hear too much anymore, and I wanted you to elaborate on, the hesher. Oh, yeah. You don't hear about heshers too much anymore, but I feel like as a kid growing up in the 80s, 90s. It was a popular trope, and the Heshers don't really exist too much anymore, do they? I know. It's funny because I just did a talk with Brett Easton Ellis, and his sound guy I described as someone was like a Hesher, like this young Hesher, and someone was like, what is that? And I was like, you know, like, I don't know, a Hesher. I don't know where I... Did you guys know that term? He didn't know what that was? No, but maybe they were. Where were they from? The fuck, Brett? Maybe because that's why. Yeah, it's very California to me. It might have been a New Yorker I was talking to or something. Well, it's funny you say that because there's a friend of the show on Twitter, Tom Tuna. He wrote a tweet. I almost sent it to you this morning. It says. Nobody. You know like the tweet formats where it says like nobody and then like nobody says anything and then unprompted Brett Easton Ellis says, nobody knew who the Red Hot Chili Peppers were, but I did. Which is very... Brett Ellise. Yeah, I was confused. I think he wasn't keen on their music or something. Yeah, that is too funny. That makes two of us. Brett's not keen on anything nowadays. Hesher is a good descriptor, though. I think it sounds like what it is. Do you know what I'm saying?

eyes on the subject being called Hesher, you could pick up the context clues and kind of run with it. Yeah, because is it different to grunge? It's like different a little. Hesher to me leans a little more board sports, I would say. You know, at a baseline, there's skateboarding, there's possibly surfing or snowboarding as well. I think nowadays those types of people... are mostly just grouped in by like visual the way they look and dress but the the to me it's like 80s butt rocker skater they have long hair they kind of smell bad they're not full punk but they're not full metal butt rocker either But it's also the, hey, I smoke weed every day. I wake and bake. I don't care about much. I hang out at the 7-Eleven. I'm just kind of like a burnout. Yeah. Low life. But proud of it. Long hair is the key. Long hair is the key. And hanging out. And what are those? Remember those cement like round underpass places people used to like smoke pot in? What were those? Where are they? Did you do that? Great question. I think all the roads have been built now, so they don't have those anymore. Like all the bridges have been erected. I just went inside of my house or other people's houses. But, you know, I know what you're talking about. I hung up. I grew up in L.A. And I remember one day. When I saw Pink Floyd the Wall and I smoked pot in the afternoon, I was in junior high and I felt like such a loser. And I remembered like, I don't like this. I feel like not like I had anywhere to go or anywhere to be. But it was just like that moment. And I was just like, I don't like. sitting in this cement thing and then going back and watching Pink Floyd, The Wall. So you didn't feel super productive and awesome hanging out under a bridge downtown, as it were. Or most of those areas are now known as... uh unhoused encampments so i could see how that wouldn't be a super like yeah awesome boost for your self-esteem no shout i mean no shade to our unhoused listeners yeah no it's sad that now that's encampments then it actually they they were just like there a roof's a roof but that i do i know what you're talking about like i i never did that but there are there's like a visual memory of that being a thing maybe it was in

film and TV. Yeah, I can't believe I did that. Seems like a generation before me would be watching The Wall. I guess, speaking of pot, your mom used to sell pot. Do you remember the very first time you got high? I do. And it didn't do anything. And then I had that one time where then I just laughed and laughed. And then I had that classic time when I was at a party in Hancock Park where it was sort of like John Hughes movie. Someone would be like, oh, Alfie's parents are going to the Orient and we're having a party. It was like so funny. And I remember smoking and then thinking it was laced because I like. bugged out i grabbed my friend i was like something was in that and it was just someone else's like no you're just like really strong actually high like you're actually high yeah you find you actually figured out how to get high okay how old were you do you remember that was like 14 and i didn't like drinking but then just then pot made me paranoid so i just stopped i've been trying to be able to enjoy it ever since no but i i just once it made me paranoid i'm just like this is i can't do that you got to push through yeah i know one day 14 is pretty reasonable though yeah i i feel like getting out of your if you start at 14 you can get out your if you don't like it at least you know it's better to know than than yeah get on with it later in life yeah yeah yeah but you know when you were around that age i want to know i'm just i wrote a bunch of notes down from your book so i'm just going to go through them what was it like Being a kid in L.A., you know, mid 80s, you're smoking weed. You're in a pool house at someone's mansion in Hancock Park. MTV comes on. It just came out. What did it feel like watching MTV in like 1984 at a pool house in Hancock Park? Oh, my God. I love I mean, we loved MTV so much. I mean, especially those Duran Duran videos were. why were they so, well, they were like cinematic or there was something about all of those ones that were really that time, like, like Fiorucci, like everything was so kind of the colors. And, you know, that was the first time models, it was like supermodels were in those videos. But yeah, MTV was like everything. My house was more, that's when I started getting a little embarrassed in my house because I went to Immaculate Heart, a private school. And that's when I was like, saw these like,

proper rich kids who are kind of preppy and i just felt like i wanted you know i not that i wanted that but that's when i started feeling like different like my house was like you know i was embarrassed for people to come over sure but is that what you mean by what what about the mtv we just used to like run and what we used to watch it all the time i remember mtv raps or something that was later they had like all the yo mtv raps like right now with the internet everything is there whenever we want it pulled up but back then i feel like if you're 14 years old And you have a little bit of a buzz going. MTV is your only window or portal into the world out there that is cool and interesting. Oh, yeah. It's like it was like a major event, like everything. Like, yeah, it was just. Yeah, it was like on all the time. And now it's just a bunch of bullshit. I know. I don't know if we're not a good audience anymore because we're so. I'm a good audience. I watch I watch Rob Dyrdek. 20 hours a day if I can. I don't know what you guys are talking about. I love it. Yeah. Chris streams a lot of road rules challenges. Nice. But Chris still watches. I think the real music video lovers are a generation who are a little bit older and are not watching MTV all the time. That's what YouTube, you know, like lighting that roach and pulling up the Fleetwood Mac live in 93 on Jules Holland type of shit. You know what I mean? I remember the first time I watched YouTube, my friend called and said, have you heard of this thing, YouTube? And he said, it's like, what? And so he said, I just watched. Dusty Springfield performed Son of a Preacher Man. And so I looked it up and I watched this performance and I was like, wow, this is amazing. I feel like the most passed around YouTube video that I can remember musically is the Stevie Nicks warm up video, Jason. Like where she's backstage warming up and it's like, I think her and her sister. Well, yeah, but somebody's singing harmonies with her or something. Oh, yeah. And it's so good. Once a year, that's the closing song of an episode on this podcast. I've added it multiple times because it is just that special. And every time I add it, I get 50 DMs of like, what is that? They don't even know necessarily what it is. But that's the magic of melody right there. It's about as good as it gets. Yeah.

I know. It's no Donovan, but it's pretty good. Oh, no. It's very good. What is your relationship to the Internet, though? Are you online or are you pretty logged off? Yeah, I'm pretty – I think I've got a perfect relationship. Well, I do. I love it. No, it is amazing because I really, really love it. But I don't know. I'm also able to, like, go off. But I don't do any, like, I have to go off or have a timer or anything like that. Like, I just – love it you don't put your phone in your car every night when you go to bed no it's in bed with my phone out the window and get a new one every day otherwise i won't yeah otherwise that's just kind of how it has to be i didn't do like my older kid and my younger kid just the tiktok thing like three years of their life was just gone but i just was like They're happy. What are you going to do? They'll look up from that thing one day and see that their mother is here eventually. It's a very slippery slope. You hear that, and I'm sure having kids and stress and all that stuff, sometimes you're like, just look at your phone and shut the fuck up. It's fine. But then you see photos of the McDonald's play place before and after. When we were kids, it was this giant technicolor dream of slides and ball pits and everything. And now it's an 8x8 square room with... with two TVs and two plastic chairs from Ikea. And it looks like, you know, the soda machine at the movie theater where you get to make whatever flavors you want. It just looks like that. Yeah. So then I see that and I'm like, oh yeah, we're fucked. How are we not even shittier and fatter? It's a surprise that our BMI is this low. But yeah, but the whole joking aside, they do get out and about. Well, what is it? How old? How old? I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. One's 15 and one's 23. OK, so 23 is like an adult. You're done. Yeah. Like you're all set. Yes. Yes. What podcasts does your 23 year old listen to? She likes not conspiritual. No, it's one about these two people like true crime shit. No, no. It's like true and on.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a very popular. Where does she live? Does she live in Sydney? She goes to Sydney University. So, yeah, she grew up in L.A., and then her dad was a New Yorker. Now he moved to London. So she's thinking after Sydney University, maybe moving to London or New York. But, yeah, she's very, very, very cool. Both in the Commonwealth? She has a British passport because I got her a British passport. Oh, look at this. See, that's great parenting. You can let her rot on the phone, but at least you got her a British passport. I know. I'm just like, look what I got you. That's really a gift. Isn't that kind of cool? Yeah, yeah. All right, so a 23-year-old, I think, knows what mom is up to to some extent. A 15-year-old that might be a little. Yeah. Harder to parse. Yeah. Luckily, my 15 year old doesn't want to read it. She said, can I? And I was like, you can and we can talk about it. But she hasn't read it. And then even my older kid, they don't like seeing me in films and stuff because it's just weird. Like it's sort of they want me as like me, like mom. So I don't think either one of them have read it, which is. perfectly fine by me to be honest you know what i mean yeah you don't say which is you know i'm cool with it yeah having read it i can see how you would feel that way yes like i don't want but my mom my mom and my brother read it but uh i kept them very close to the process because i didn't want any notes from them sure i mean i read the early drafts so you feel a part of it well that's what i was gonna ask is like how much did you have to pull back or the publisher asked you to pull back for like legal reasons or did they kind of let you cook they wanted me to cook even more believe it or not but yeah but the legal the legal anyone else you fuck that's famous any name i know i'm like i'm not about you're like this is i'm not taking anybody down i mean if i can help it i really am not um Anyway, yeah, but the legal department goes through it, and it's pretty interesting. I've changed the names of some people who aren't famous. For Anthony, a lot of this stuff was already in his book. Yeah, if somebody says it first, you can say it again. I don't think that's pretty fair. Yeah, that's right. Do you think that was your intuition, or do you think it didn't serve the story? Yeah, for sure. There's definitely stuff that's great.

stories you know i just didn't want it to be like name drop name drop name drop funny story this person is hilarious remember when they said that that's so fucking funny but it didn't feel you know serve the story yeah no i get that and then some things yeah some things just don't fit in the end of the day and then you don't miss them as much as you think you will you're not gonna you're saying you're not going nose to nose with the publisher over something it's like well this probably doesn't matter Once you reread it. Yeah. I mean, there, there's some part it's so funny though. Now, like people like you have sex scenes in your book. That's so funny. Uh, it's so like, let's bring sex scenes in. And I'm like, Oh my God, I definitely didn't want to write those corny or like sleazy, but it's so picking the words. Like there's one part where it's like the boon, the boon of her cologne. And I kept writing like Googling. Is there another word for boon? I hate that word. It's so. weird but i couldn't i was just like and you know there's so much synonym for like the amount of your writing right at the moment yeah are you yeah so like this looking up like what's another word for this what's another word for good That's better than good. But boom. So you guys are thesaurusizing heavily right now, I'm sure. Exactly. Thesaurusizing. You really do got to use the – it's crazy because you're right. You just also – you start to feel it, I think, if you like use a word. Even if you haven't like searched the document, you kind of like know you've used it too much. Right. Exactly. So it's all that funny stuff. But I kept that word just because I was like, I don't know. Maybe it's all right. yeah sex scenes are funny to write because it's like can be so whatever daniel steel or something like yeah it feels like it could be yeah like playgirl like right like letters yeah playgirl letters letters oh my god i think you did a good job i i was reading them and i did not for i never thought i'm reading a sex scene right now it felt it slipped right in it felt very natural i shall say okay relax all right all right slipped right in

Speaking of, how many gay dads do you think you have? Yeah, well, you mean just like friends of my mom? So many. Not literal people that have. Not literal. Yeah, I still have gay dads. I just had a party at the Chateau, and I probably invited both of you or one of you. But anyway, and I had so many gay dads, and they're so proud, and they bought so many books. So, yeah, I've got dual income, no kids. Yeah, they got no kids. They got a lot of money. They got a lot of money. Yes, exactly. I was like, thank you. They filled their Audi TT up with all these hardcovers. Exactly. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, sort of our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world. writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. You know, show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional. as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash how long for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code how long to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Hi Talk House Network listeners, it's your old friend Nels Klein from Wilco here. Wilco is touring this summer and we'd love to see you somewhere on the road. We're playing shows this June and July in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Chautauqua, New York, Lafayette, New York, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Vienna, Virginia, Forest Hills, New York, Portland, Maine, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Memphis, Tennessee, LaGrange, Georgia, Charleston,

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I mean, now maybe, but growing up, definitely not. Just because of our life, your Southern Baptists in the suburban Atlanta, if you do meet them, they're not out. That's so true. My mom was a single mom, but when she was married, it was always a learning curve. My second stepbrother was gorgeous and probably homophobic, and then even my new one, so male and so straight. And I think it took them a second to like get used to it. And then it was so funny because her gay friends were so obsessed with the norm coreness of my mom's husbands. They would like, can I borrow? richard's shorts because like they just wanted to look like and my mom's like i guess sure like they were you know they just were like loving just the man they're they're the exotically yeah painfully heterosexual yeah they just and and it took a second for the for her husband to just be like okay that's pretty so you're saying your mom her friends were all gay guys but her husbands were like i'm watching football with a beer yeah like that yeah Yeah, I mean, my second one was he was from Brooklyn, an Italian, you know, he wanted to be in the movie business. It was sort of sad watching his heartbreak. He was like really young, but he was like Mr. Dad. He came in just trying to, you know, my brother was in this 13 year old phase of like skipping school. He like chopped a hole in our garage like he was a little rebel, you know, acting out. And Billy just like. He just like came in and grounded him for summer. And my brother turned his grades around like he just came in. He was a real man. You know what I mean? Hell yeah. And how old was Billy when this was going on? Wasn't he very young? Like 20. 24 25 but i was like bleeding the brakes on the car with him doing mechanical stuff like i loved it okay i didn't see this going there i didn't i didn't see you changing oil i know so okay so your dad is changing well and your gay dads are checking oil all the bases are covered with lubricant yeah exactly yeah i guess speaking of that

You've been on set with Bruce Weber. Could you describe that more for Chris, please? He's a Weber-holic. Yes. Oh, my God. He's back, right? He's back. I think we're fine. Okay, good. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, my brother was, you know, modeling. I know what you're talking about. I do know. So, yeah, I shot with him a couple times, and I was just so excited because I love photographers, and I like that whole – I like the – The photographers, some of the makeup artists, the whole scene there. But yeah, photographers. So I did a campaign with Zoe Cassavetes and Sofia Coppola and Roman for, what is it, for H&M, which was so fun because we ended up going to Stockholm for it. And they flew us all there. H&M, the greatest export of Sweden. And that was so, I loved Stockholm, so fun, right? Anyway, he's quiet, and he had someone hold his camera for him, one of the cameras, which I thought was amazing because it's heavy, like one of the cameras. Big old Hasselblad or something? Yeah, but he would press it with this young, cute guy holding the camera for him. That's right. That's right. So you hold it while I press? Yeah. Wait. Wow. I got this 19-year-old firefighter from Iowa to assist me. I hope you guys are cool with that. Yeah. Well, my brother – He just has a little – My brother had a really funny story. I was living with Adam. We were still married, Adam Horowitz, in L.A. and my house I still have now. And my brother had done this photo shoot with this guy, James Gooding, who was a friend and a model. And he came home and he said to us, is it gay if you're if you're like naked rolling around you know he just shot with bruce and we were like no no no and he's like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and we were just like laughing but he was like nothing happened nothing happened with bruce but he shot my brother like they were like naked wrestling and i'm like he was fine i think it's totally fine but it was just back then we were just you know

snap on each other, as you used to say. But we just thought it was really funny. I mean, it's pretty funny for your brother to come home from a photo shoot and be like, hey, is it gay that I just rolled around with another naked man? He's wearing one of those metallic blankets and he's like, hey guys, it's fine if you do that, right? Yeah. it's fine because it looks that's that's worth it that's the thing that's the thing there's certain people that you kind of know what you're getting if when you go into it and you have to be prepared to to get there's a gift basket when you leave it's not exactly yeah like pendle pendleton what does he love that kind of like yeah it's very well it's very like montauk montauk in the winter you know i have 14 dogs and a blanket on well we did a funny so one of the shoots though which i want to I wish I could have these pictures, but I'd have their hit Bruce Weber's. But we shot like upstate New York with beautiful. I forgot the model. She's so beautiful with like an American flag running around topless in the field, like very Bruce Weber. But one part was kind of weird because I was jumping up and down on a bed without a top, but jeans. It was for jeans, you know, H&M and this other girl. And my brother's filming it with an old fashioned camera. So that and it's that's like. That was like incest-y looking. No one knew it was, you know what I'm saying? Okay, so you're saying the art was being created and things just happen, you know? I mean, nothing, you know, in real life. But then when I was looking at the pictures, I was like, no one knows that's my brother. But that, in real life, if that happened, I would not have that happen. Sure. I've lived a life, but I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. If that were to happen in 2025, the Internet would have would have that together within eight minutes. And it would be what actually what got you to write the book? Was it you or did somebody come to you and say, I think it's time. There's a podcast called Celebrity Book Club or something, and these two young women were saying, Ben Lee, my husband, he was like, oh, you should see this. And they were like, how could Ione Skye's mom let her be with Anthony Kiedis when she was 16, and he was a drug addict. Is the word clapping back? Am I using that correctly? I think you're saying they said some stuff about you in a podcast, and you were like, you know what? I'll show them. I'm going to write 400 pages. Exactly.

Oh, yeah. That's what turned out. No. But yes, yes, yes. But in this moment, I did the mirror response on TikTok or whatever. Oh, sure, yeah. That is literally a clap back. That is a clap back. Okay. But I wasn't mean. I just was like my mom. I felt protective of my mother. So I said my mother and my brother were worried sick, and they were. And she couldn't have stopped me if she tried. But then. I don't know. I had a couple of things happen where people kept asking about my life. So I thought I'll feel this out. And, you know, not to sound boring and businessy, but I just sort of said to like my manager, do you think? And I wasn't even, I don't know, feeling confident. But then the response, I got a literary agent. They were like, yes. And then I got a, you know, I did the proposal, which took almost a year. And then. Someone leaked it to page six, some of the proposal. Still don't know who. Is someone on the call with us right now, I feel like, to drive up that bidding war? Yeah, yeah. It was, yes. So that's, I highly recommend having your proposal leaked a little. And then there was a bit of a bidding war, which my agent was like, selling me, you're going to get the big boy money. And it was good, but I was just like. after the whole thing I was like why did you hype me up so much because it was good but had you not said also I was like why would I get like you know Matthew Perry level like Shut up. Stop telling me this. I'm fine. It is juicy and it's full of a lot of celebs and details. I mean, now that the book's done so well, maybe I will get that. But anyway, in any case, I wanted to do it if the project felt good. I had a friend who was like, why don't you self-publish? And I was like, I don't want to do it with this. Tell that friend to go to hell. You're not self-publishing. Amazon Originals ass? No. Yeah. She's a cool actress who does. She's actually a bigger name than me, but she likes doing shit like that. I'll do my own short film. Fine. But that's the culture of that. I want it to be. Yeah, exactly. That's the culture. All right. So what do you think of the creative professions that you have dipped your toe in, which one pays the best? Well, yeah. You know.

TV? I would say doing anything in the 80s and 90s pays the best. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. No, but TV, I've always been told that's the best because it's so consistent and it's basically a full-time job if you're on a series where it's kind of normal in a way. Consistent, normal, yeah. Yeah, I've never been paid like crazy in my career, but yeah, and certain movies. Oh, yeah, like weird random things. Like I did one indie, but the guy obviously had tons of money, and so it was like an amazing paycheck because it was almost like a vanity project. We like that. Okay, I can do that once in a while. I've had a few DJ sets like that in my day. Well, I mean, are you still getting mailbox money from back in the day? Yeah, you mean residuals? Yeah, I don't have syndicated anything, but sure. Beautiful. And then you do every once in a while, you can do something where you find the ones that, what is that thing where you collect the ones that never landed? That's what an agent should be doing, not telling you how much money they're going to get you for a book. I know. Yeah, it takes both. But yeah, I do get the residuals, but yeah. Have you been pretty good with money in your life? I'm kind of amazed that I've done as well as I have. I am too, and that's why I was asking. Well, I did the thing that my mom did, which I realized writing this book that I learned because she grew up – she was not like a – you know, feminist, like working woman type at all. She like didn't graduate high school even. She just happened to be in the groovy scene and she modeled a bit. I was about to say she was hot and cool and it worked out from there. Yes. And then her family were like, just marry a nice man and have him take care of you. So she kind of kept doing that. And then when I met Adam, like I, I like liked that he was successful. You know, I liked that part. And I think. You know, I definitely always wanted someone who was at least like, you know, supporting themselves to a certain extent, because also I didn't trust myself. But yeah, I did the thing where you buy a house at a young age and, you know, that was amazing.

But there has been times when I've had room, like I ran out of money because I redid this. So I had a kid with this guy, David Netto, and he's an interior designer, and he's like, let's redo your bathroom. Wait, really? I feel like he's dating someone I know now. Is he like? gray like gray like good looking like full head of hair yes he has a full head of hair i think we'll talk we'll talk later yeah yeah yeah i just i'm familiar with the name and i'm not a i'm not a super i don't really follow the interior design world that closely you know what i mean yeah he's well dressed you'll like him there's a good show yeah that uh where you talk about him in the book you really it's an interesting interesting chapter i know he's because he's um He's a strict character, but he read it and he was like, it's fine. You can say what you want about me. I'm like, okay. But you guys weren't married. You just had a baby. No, we had a baby. But we redid my bathroom. But there was time. After that, I ran out of money. Hold on. Did you redo the bathroom before or after you had the baby with him? After. Why? Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Oh, just wondering. I didn't know if that's how you met. No. Oh, right. No. No, but it costs like, so anyway. So I guess my point is that I'm an artist at the end of the day and sometimes you, you know, we've, Ben and I have been kind of, it's amazing. We definitely have had that like, just when we're like, then something comes. But I'm looking for more, you know, never having that, you know, that worry in the night of like. Are we okay financially? I think we picked the wrong jobs. to not have that worry. That's true. I guess I'm used to it at this point. But I'm sure, I mean, if you've been doing it, you've been doing it for a long time, like there's just ups and downs and you eventually get the stomach for it because you realize that's just what it's going to be no matter what. And you hope for the memoir to kick in and pay off and we're riding that wave right now, aren't we? Yeah. Big wave happening. I know. And it's good because I didn't write it like, I definitely didn't write it like...

Oh, I need to. Like, I've just, my career has been, I just did this movie, Anaconda, where I played Jack Black's wife and Paul Rudd is in it. And we shot it in Australia. And so anyway, we were feeling confident. Like, I didn't write it out of like, I have to just like get the money. Like, it was nice that it was at a time where I was feeling like calm and actually things were happening, which is helpful. Why do American celebrities love Australia so much? I love Australia, too, but it feels like there's a lot of, like, if you look at the Daily Mail, there's always A-list celebrities in Australia all the time. Well, they film. You know why? They just film. Because they film there, and also it's one of those tour destinations. And Australians are so isolated that they will come. Like, I saw The Roots while I was living there. I mean, God bless The Roots, but I don't think I would see The Roots. You know what I mean? I know exactly what you mean. There's not much going on. So boring. I saw the fucking roots last night. I mean, I love it. It was great. But I don't go out. You know, Ben is actually seeing PJ Harvey. I'm so jealous. But everyone comes through. Where is she playing? I've seen she's been playing, but where? Yes, I think Sydney. Okay, okay, okay. I don't know what venue, but I think she's tonight or something. Well, yeah, we went to Australia last year, and we did a show, and it was the same kind of vibe. People come out because it's like, I think also Australians are so kind and grateful. And they know how long and how expensive it is to get out there. If you make the effort, they make the effort. Oh, yeah. They're so appreciative. Yeah. And so I think that's it. And then while they're there, they take a lot of selfies because they're like the opera house. If I see one more hottie on the beach in the winter, you know, on Bondi in a bathing suit, it's just it really feels planned is all I'm saying. But if you're an American who speaks English, it's literally on the opposite side of the world. So when it's. winter and snowing here it is 100 degrees and everyone speaks english and drives on the same side of the road and it all it's interchangeable i mean it's amazing it's close to it's close to asia but it's like not it's not so close to japan that i'm like going on but it is a little closer to japan which is nice do you feel like that's home now or is it still feel a little strange i'm starting to feel like it's home and

I kind of, all my friends here were like, when are you coming back? I'm like, pretend I'm like in boarding school. And in like two years, I'll come out of boarding school and I'll come back. I feel like it's home because it also is like a very welcoming place. But it's also, it's a huge adjustment. But I'm kind of just like enjoying it for what it is because it's kind of amazing. Like it's so beautiful. How often are you hitting Bali? I haven't yet. I went there years ago, I think on tour with the BC Voids, but I haven't been since. You only really go there when it's like spring break or if you need to buy Coke. That's kind of the only reason why Australians go to Bali. I know. I kind of want to look at all of the like. And sex tourism, of course. Yeah, never forget that. Never forget that. That's funny. Yeah, I kind of want to check out the scene, but I'm also so judgmental. Who are these people? Just watch The White Lotus. It gets close enough. Oh, yeah. There's a chapter, there's a bit where your brother was briefly dating Gwyneth Paltrow. Is that correct? Yep. And you were sort of describing her intimidating presence, even at a young age. Could you sort of... describe how hard everyone got when Gwyneth Paltrow was mean to them. I'm asking for a friend. Oh God. Yeah. My brother loved it. Cause I was like, are you okay with this? She just called you an idiot. I mean, she was like 21 and he was like, no, no, I am. I am. I am like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was sick on that. We went to Mexico once and he kept saying, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And she's like, if you say I'm sorry one more time. I was like, oh, my God, Donna, stop saying I'm sorry. You're looking like a fool. Yeah. I mean, I would say dating Gwyneth Paltrow is one of those things where even an accomplished, experienced, confident man will be like, I could do that. And then when you get in there, thrown into the mix. Yeah. All butts are off. You know, it ain't so easy. I know. She's amazing, though. I mean, I can see she's so captivating and charming. And I've known her for so long. I mean, not like super duper close. And I still am like, are you warm? Are you pretending to be warm? Like, I still don't know. You hate me still, right? That's called being a pro. I like that. They keep you guessing. It's interesting. Oh, yeah.

I think she's great. If she was too nice, it'd be like, shut up, you're lying. Right. So it's got, you know, you don't believe that either. Do you think she ever had a little bi-face? She seems like she's dick only. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, there was the time in the 90s when everyone was making out a little bit because of Madonna and whatnot. But I don't know about her. I probably, you're right. She loves men. I mean, I love men. I love men, too. Got to give it up for the fellas. Give it up for the fellas. Yeah. I'm going to, on the end of every episode, I add a song that has something to do with what we're talking about. And in the book. Speaking of lesbians, you mentioned a song, Water from a Vine Leaf. Oh, yeah. And I looked it up and played it, and I thought this is the best 90s lesbian hookup song I could ever imagine. What do you guys feel about playing music while you're doing it? Isn't it distracting, or can you... Oh, it's at the end. It's like the outro. Oh, but I mean no when you're doing it. Oh, having sexual intercourse? Yeah. You know, like in the movies, they put on a song. Oh, yeah. Jason. Yeah. Jason puts on Chris Brown and his wife loves it. I don't know. Look, they're free. It's not something that really happens too much when you're married, but a younger me definitely gave it a shot. And I think because I have a background. As a DJ, I'm a little bit better. Here we go. Here we go. This is going to be good. I'm just saying, like, I was able to put on some white label 12 inches that really got it going. No, no, no. It's just there's a lot of music out there. And through trial and error, you sort of learn what works and doesn't work because on the plus side, you're adding an extra element. There's no awkward silence. You're able to maybe melt into the moment a little bit better. But the degree of difficulty where you nail the right music, you have to really nail it because nine times out of ten, it's going to hurt. It's going to harm the mood more than help it. Right. When I put on my 12-CD changer full of Buddha bar mixes, it usually doesn't go that well for me. You know what I mean? My wife doesn't love that. Instrumental music helps.

Instrumental music helps. Yeah, music for airports. You know, just something nice and mellow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to knock out the internal dialogue of like, don't come, don't come, you know, whatever it may be. Yeah, that sounds good. I kind of want to just like now just try that. It sounds kind of, it could be kind of nice. Yeah, you guys are a musical bunch. Give it a shot. Yeah. I'm sure, yeah. I mean, I bet, I'm sure Ben would like to listen to his own music. That's a classic. I mean, you know. I know. Or we can get someone to cover one of his songs and sit in the room and do a cover. Oh, nice. Like a sitar cover in the corner? That's a nice thing. Sitar cuck chair. Yeah, sitar. You don't even have to pay me, guys. I just like to watch and play. Play and watch. Sitar cuck chair. Oh, my God. That is so funny. Okay, yeah. So, yeah, that song is great, and I can't wait to work that into my quote-unquote playlist. Who is the artist, if you don't mind me asking? William Orbit, right? I think so. Madonna worked with him at one point. Like electronic music kind of producer guy. Yeah, like slow. It's like 90s breakbeat, like trip-hoppy kind of vibe. But the artwork for the song looks like a 90s hardcore record. It's really sick. I'll send it to you right now, Chris. Oh, that's nice. That's a nice touch. That's a nice touch. It looks like a Marauder 7-inch or something. How much time did you spend on tour? A lot. I was like... I probably messed up my career because I was like, touring with the Beastie Boys? Yes, please. Like, it was just so much fun. And the Chili Peppers, I went on tour a little bit. They literally did have one tour that was a no-girlfriends tour, which is so funny. That is genius. Isn't that hysterical? That is the coolest thing I've ever heard about the Red Hell Chili Peppers. And as girlfriends, you're just like, yeah, okay. Like, we knew. We were like, that sucks. But also, like... Yeah, that's accurate. When you say, and that's so funny. I think that's so funny, you guys. Is that funny? No, but also... Babe, we got to concentrate. You know what I mean? We really got to nail this thing. Meanwhile, they're having fun. Well, there's two different types of dudes trips. We're planning on going to go see Oasis this summer. I want to. And it's feeling doodly, but when you're dating a 21-year-old...

red hot chili pepper and they propose a no girlfriend's tour yeah it has a little bit of a different the intentions may be yeah a little more nefarious yeah yeah a little more nefarious i'm trying to shag something in tucson i know that's really yeah but some i went on and that was phenomenal i mean i was like it's it's you know i didn't love the music but i was sort of blown away just seeing them and i did yeah i admired the chili peppers and then the beast boy thing was more like i was really into the yeah the band and all the bands with them and one tour i did like the foo fighters with when they first started and we were in somewhere like indonesia and i don't know all these weird amazing you know and all the when adam yauck had the Tibet stuff and just hanging out with Bjork and, oh my God, and the Biz Marquis. This was the best. I was so happy. Well, the real question is, did you get along with the other wives and girlfriends? Because sometimes that can be hairy. I with. What are you talking about? No, it was this. In this case, it was like amazing. Tamara Davis was with Mike D. And then my friend Lisa Ann was with Adam. And we were like all best friends. So it was a dream scenario, dream, dream scenario. Like she they had a place in Silver Lake at Mike and Tamara and they just like cooked and they I don't know. We all just were like really close, but we were really young. So I think. it's before you start getting irritated by your friends and, and like organize, like, you know, like I can imagine now just like, Oh, they're being so annoying in the airport or I don't know. But back then I was just like, Oh, Everything is awesome sauce at that moment. I mean, look, that's like the Beastie Boys at the height of their powers, probably. I've never been a fan of their music, but going on tour with the Beasties in 1993 or whatever sounds fucking so fun. Yeah, it was so, so fun. It's funny because I don't like the Red Hot Chili Peppers or the Beastie Boys, and it kind of sounds like you don't either.

Or do you like the BC boys? No, I like a couple. She likes Paul's Boutique, of course. Well, I like the song also that I'm in that Q-Tip sings, Ill Communication. You know that part? BMI royalties like that one. That one's still hidden, baby. No, I like the BC boys. I don't know if it's... I don't know. Maybe if I wasn't... I think I would anyway. But the Red Hot Chili Peppers were a little harder for me to like. As musically. More divisive. They're a baffling band to me. It's fascinating. To be that popular and sound like that feels like just really two things at odds. I mean, the hits are the hits, of course. Yeah, yeah. And I do... Sometimes I think about those songs. I'm like, no, that actually is a really good song. But I... No, that's... I find it... Because I think it's... I remember I used to manage a band, and a lot of the girlfriends, I would say, were not fans of the music. They were like, this is cool that this pays for our lifestyle, and I support you, my love. Yeah. But I ain't putting this on in the car if you're not around. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which is reasonable. Which is reasonable. I did like the you do a little dance and you drink a little water. It's a funny lyric. But yeah. Drink a little water. That's a great lyric. But also, I mean, Flea is truly a musical genius and an amazing bass player. Yeah. Prashanti, you know, put him up to any. You know, he could be the best living guitar player on planet Earth right now. Yeah. That's true. That helps. And, like, nerds like that. So, I mean, it doesn't matter what's going on. Yeah, for sure. You got Chad. You got Ringo in there. It don't matter. I know. I know. It's so funny, though. When Chad joined, I think they were like, you need to get a mohawk because you need to look more. He's like, no. No, I'm going to go stepdad from Orange County mode. Yeah, he looks like he works at Guitar Center in Orange County and doesn't pay child support.

We're like, okay, okay, you can do it. You can wear what you want. Well, I think it's fun when bands look completely like, how did you guys find each other? You know what I mean? Everybody's got a different look. It's a respect. It's like when you see London Del Rey dating the swamp husband. You're like, that's a real cool connection there. Yeah, how is that going? They're still going? I think blissfully in love. I think when you only go to dinner at 7-Eleven, it makes your relationship a lot easier. Yeah, that does sound relaxing in a weird way. I like her to be single just for my mental running fantasy. But if she's happy, I'm happy. You know what I mean? But I would prefer if they broke up. I know. She's amazing. she's unreal. I actually really, I don't really care about her music. It doesn't do much for me, but her as a celebrity is one of the best that we've got. She's fast. She like really is fascinating and knows really is. She knows exactly when to change something to make it interesting again. Like, you know, nothing ever goes too far. You're still interested, but then she, it's, it's really something really something. And she kind of keeps herself. I know she keeps herself at the perfect, like distance where you don't feel like, I don't know. It's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, today I lost 20 pounds and I'm super hot and amazing. Tomorrow I'm going to work at a Wendy's. And then one Wednesday I'm going to do a selfie with a gun from a motel somewhere outside of Spokane, Washington. That's literally what it's like. That's literally what it's like. And then I'm going to play the Super Bowl on Friday. Yeah. There's not many of those left. There's not many of those left. You mentioned during the kind of lesbian 90s Madonna-y. Shimizu era that you would hang out at the Abbey, the West Hollywood bar, the Abbey, nowadays known as one of the most dangerous bars in America because of the evil gays and pickpockets and stabbings and whatnot. But what was it like, you know, back in whatever, 93 or something? Yeah, it was just like West Hollywood. That part of West Hollywood was like safe. I mean, you go east and it always was gnarly. Santa Monica Boulevard would get dodgy. By the Del Taco on Santa Monica and Highland. Oh, baby. Yeah, exactly. Turned a lot of tricks up there. Yeah, that part, it was just like nice. And just there was this cute girl working the coffee, you know, at the Abbey. And I kept kind of going around.

you know, checking her out for some reason. But it was just like, yeah, I didn't like love, that wasn't my favorite hang, but it was nice and it wasn't. But what was the number one club of the era though? Like where's the place you had the best memories? I did love Power Tools. Have you heard of Power Tools? I haven't, but that sounds extremely gay. That sounds gay. This is not gay, but late 80s, early 90s, Matt Dyke was involved with it. I don't know. It was like, not gay it was like i mean my really queer friendly and no they played just like i feel like new wave and different things and it was just this big big building at the beginning of downtown la and um like brett easton ellis i don't know him i just did talk to him but he went there oh yeah he was he was like a he was like a rap producer matt dyke he was kind of like an early rick rubin kind of guy yeah he was really cool Yeah, I think it was just very cool. But I didn't go out to clubs that much until I got to New York in the 90s, and then the clubs weren't good. There was Moomba, which was fine. I went to Moomba every day. I've heard of Moomba, but you're saying the area kind of heyday, tunnel was over. Yeah, the Odyssey, Danceteria, Studio 54 Nails. I got the restaurant, the cool... Indochine, like whatever, like that era, like Casa La Femme or whatever, all those kind of Bowery. A supper club. Supper club style, Bowery, yeah, that kind of thing. A Sex in the City style lounge, do a little bump in the bathroom. Yeah, oh my God. But we were cooler than that. No, but anyway. Of course, of course. No, I don't know. Maybe not. No, no, no, you are. What did it feel like getting a 90s pixie cut in the 90s? I think a lot of our young female listeners would like to know that. Brave. Yeah, it's kind of brave. And I don't know that it was my best. Some people looked so good. I feel like Winona Ryder and so many people. I don't know that it was my best thing. Winona might be my favorite pixie if you've put a gun to my head. Yeah. I just remember being a kid in the 90s.

You know, like a Winona or something like that with the pixie cut and ex-girl baby tea on. And it's just like. It's like rite of passage. I didn't feel as wonderful as I think other people did. For me, I was sort of felt like identity crisis when I did it. But I can see how it's freeing for a lot of people. Yeah, that's how I felt when I shaved. When I shaved my head, that's how I felt. That was free, finally. You never know. It's a leap of faith. You never know if you're a pixie-cut person or not until it's too late. Thank you, but it is a leap of faith. There's only so much visualization, and especially then, there's no technology for it. This is before AI, you understand. Yeah, you're crossing your fingers and paying this guy 500 bucks to make it happen. I know, and that your head is a good shape and everything. It's really a risk. It really is a risk. We sometimes ask this question to our cool guests that have used drugs before. It's been a while since I brought it back and somebody said I should ask it today. Top five prescription pills of all time, Ioni. Top five. I missed the Quaalude thing. I wish I could have had a real Quaalude. But there was a Mandrax, which I mentioned in the book, that was like a bad version. But that was good. Mandrax. Mandrax, I think it was called. Also, Quaaludes are kind of back. There are people who are unearthing vintage ones. Oh, you can find them again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And believe it or not, like I've only had, well, it's not a... Yeah, it is. Yeah, a pill. I've only had ecstasy two times in my whole life. And one time was all speed in London, I think. And then one time it was like pure. And I was like, oh, I'm doing this all the time. And that was it. I don't know why. If I can find that same one again, I will do that ecstasy. Sure, you'll figure it out. But I don't know. It's like from the dark web or something. Those press pills are also coming back because everyone started doing Molly and all that stuff. Do people snort? Why am I, for someone who's been around so many drugs, like people don't, they always take a pill. Yeah.

You can snort anything. If there's a will, there's a way. Typically, the molly powder, you would just dip a little in the box of soda. I've never been into speed. I was never into speed. I always liked the ecstasy that had a little bit of heroin in it instead. A little something for me. That sounds amazing. That one... pill from the dark web or whatever it was if i could do that i don't know still you still think about it you still think about it because i'm like in the shape of a mitsubishi logo perhaps yeah yeah something funny this is not a joke yeah yeah i know well listen if i can i'll i'll tell you if i can remember and because it's it was probably a good a good source a safe good source or something but yeah it's so funny i was like that anyway that was that one really good experience um yeah That wasn't five. But otherwise, not a big pill-y person. You know, I dipped into my mom's Valium when I was a teen. There we go. And, like, for, like, a week. But then I was just like, this is making me sleepy. I actually do probably, like, once you hit my age, sleeping is hard. But I know to stay, I want to stay away from the whole sleeping pill thing because I just know myself I'll be too. into it i also think there's a a kind of you know when you're exposed to stuff at a young age you kind of learn what you like and don't like very quickly yeah and what will take you down probably yeah when you see like gnarly shit firsthand you're like all right well i guess i'm not gonna do that when you're like oh i did heroin and it i didn't really care that much yeah oh no like i can't believe like heroin when i tried it i was like this is amazing i see what all the fuss is about And I tried it a handful of times and so quickly I was like, I'm just grumpy. And also, you're not meant to. It's not that you're not meant to feel this good in life, like you should just suffer, but kind of like. No, I agree with you. You're not meant to feel that good. And that's the whole thing. This feels so good. Surely there is a downside happening right now. Yeah. I mean.

I also, it's like a crazy, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's no, you're not supposed to feel like that all the time. I think that's a really good way to put it. That's what I think. Yeah. I just had this really deep understanding, not any moral judgment, not anything like that. Just like. you get this in some other way i don't know it's just i don't ever want to be moral that's why i think people like the book also because it's not like a moral judgy book but yeah yeah i was just like i don't just not i don't deserve i don't get i don't i don't deserve this good i don't deserve and i and and i it's not easy to replicate in natural ways that i'll say that that's the truth you can only run so much you know yeah And God, if you're lucky and you get a naturally good feeling like that, you can't plan on it. It just sometimes will just happen that you feel. Occasionally, I have a natural feeling of bliss or ecstasy in life for like four seconds. And I'm like, oh, my God, I feel like a little. But it lasts so long. Just a little tease of euphoria. A little tease of euphoria. Yeah. I'm like, I guess I'm just basically. Sort of a struggler. Wow. That's a great way. The struggler. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, thank you for joining us on the podcast today, Ione. It was a pleasure. And I'm glad the book is seeing so much success. Yeah, the book was a pleasure to listen to. Well done. Oh, I've been so looking forward to talking to you. Oh, hey, great. We've talked to a lot of people. I mean, we're the coolest, but you've done your thing. Oh, God. I've been excited about you guys. Thank you so much. I'm like an uber super fan of your show. Oh, well, that's very kind. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right, great. Well, thank you. Much love. Well, now we're all uber super fans of each other together. It goes both ways. Congrats. Thanks for doing this show. See you soon. See you around. Thanks so much. Okay, see you. Bye. Later.

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